Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: general
Topic: galois insertion
Kenny Lau (Sep 25 2018 at 05:32):
import algebra.archimedean example (α : Type*) [floor_ring α] : galois_insertion (ceil : α → ℤ) coe := { choice := λ x _, ⌈x⌉, gc := λ x n, ceil_le, le_l_u := λ _, le_of_eq (ceil_coe _).symm, choice_eq := λ _ _, rfl }
Kenny Lau (Sep 25 2018 at 05:32):
let's come up with more examples
Mario Carneiro (Sep 25 2018 at 05:35):
nice observation. Of course floor
is also in an adjoint pair, this time on the right side
Mario Carneiro (Sep 25 2018 at 05:39):
also natural number subtraction is best understood in terms of the galois connection it forms with addition
Mario Carneiro (Sep 25 2018 at 05:39):
same with natural/integer division
Kenny Lau (Sep 25 2018 at 05:43):
also natural number subtraction is best understood in terms of the galois connection it forms with addition
previously unsaid sentence in human history @Kevin Buzzard
Simon Hudon (Sep 25 2018 at 05:46):
Sorry, I have to contradict you. I wrote those Galois connection and PRed them to the core library while I was interning at Galois. And I thought that was a beautiful coincidence and wouldn't shut up about it :P
Mario Carneiro (Sep 25 2018 at 05:47):
did you make any galois connections while you were there? :)
Simon Hudon (Sep 25 2018 at 05:47):
I certainly did :D
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 25 2018 at 07:05):
Kenny can you remind me what a Galois connection and Galois insertion is?
Reid Barton (Sep 25 2018 at 11:59):
If it helps, Galois connection ~ adjunction and Galois insertion ~ reflective subcategory, i.e. one of the adjoints is the inclusion of a full subcategory (or possibly coreflective, probably the other one is called a Galois coinsertion)
Reid Barton (Sep 25 2018 at 11:59):
where ~ means "is what you get by specializing to preorders = categories with at most one morphism in each hom set"
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 25 2018 at 12:24):
so a pair of adjoint functors and one is inclusion of a full subcategory. Aren't there lots of examples then? e.g. metric spaces <-> complete metric spaces and lots of other examples of when you drop a property of X and then find some adjoint?
Reid Barton (Sep 25 2018 at 12:29):
Yes except metric spaces don't form a preorder
Reid Barton (Sep 25 2018 at 12:31):
So the flavor of the examples tends to be a bit different, e.g., sub-R-modules inside all subsets or these floor/ceiling examples. But the theorems are largely the same--the left half of the connection preserves sups and so on
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 25 2018 at 12:35):
Aah! At most one morphism between two objects, and a pair of adjoint functors, and inclusion of a full subcategory. That's the question.
Kenny Lau (Sep 29 2018 at 10:59):
Is nat.pred
and nat.succ
a galois insertion?
Kenny Lau (Sep 29 2018 at 11:00):
I can't seem to prove it
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 29 2018 at 11:29):
a<= succ b iff pred a <= b looks true to me
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 29 2018 at 11:29):
succ is inclusion of a full subcategory
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 29 2018 at 11:30):
succ a <= b iff a <= pred b is false though
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 29 2018 at 11:31):
And pred is not an inclusion of a full subcategory
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 29 2018 at 11:35):
So it's 50-50 from where I'm sitting as to whether it's an insertion or a coinsertion
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 29 2018 at 11:35):
But it's not both
Mario Carneiro (Sep 29 2018 at 11:50):
I was surprised to find that this wasn't already proven... more accurately there were some silly assumptions
Mario Carneiro (Sep 29 2018 at 11:51):
a - b <= c <-> a <= b + c
is the galois connection, which is an insertion since (a + b) - b = a
. Take b = 1
and you have succ/pred
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