Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: new members
Topic: zero derivative from minimum value
Nicholas Wilson (Nov 08 2023 at 04:29):
How would I go about proving
import Mathlib.Data.Real.Basic
import Mathlib.Analysis.Calculus.Deriv.Basic
open Real
theorem deriv_zero_min_bound
(x y : ℝ )
(f : ℝ → ℝ )
(hd : Differentiable ℝ f )
--bounded from below by 0
(hbbz : 0 ≤ (f y) )
(hz : (f x = 0) ) : (deriv f x ) = 0
:= by sorry
Mario Carneiro (Nov 08 2023 at 04:30):
it should follow from Rolle's theorem
Mario Carneiro (Nov 08 2023 at 04:32):
docs#IsLocalMin.fderiv_eq_zero maybe?
Mario Carneiro (Nov 08 2023 at 04:32):
your assumption hbbz
doesn't say that f
is bounded below though, it's not universally quantified over y
Mario Carneiro (Nov 08 2023 at 04:33):
it just says that f
has at least one nonnegative point
Nicholas Wilson (Nov 08 2023 at 04:44):
it just says that f has at least one nonnegative point
Oh. How would I state "is bounded from below by zero" then? (hbbz : ∀ (y : ℝ) 0 ≤ (f y))
?
Mario Carneiro (Nov 08 2023 at 04:47):
yes (you need a comma after the (y : R)
)
Nicholas Wilson (Nov 08 2023 at 05:04):
Thanks. How do I use IsLocalMin.fderiv_eq_zero
? with
by have hmin : IsLocalMin f x := by sorry
apply IsLocalMin.fderiv_eq_zero hmin
I get an error
tactic 'apply' failed, failed to unify
fderiv ℝ f x = 0
with
deriv f x = 0
Ruben Van de Velde (Nov 08 2023 at 05:54):
Maybe with docs#fderiv_deriv
Nicholas Wilson (Nov 08 2023 at 06:57):
scratch that, there is IsLocalMin.deriv_eq_zero
Nicholas Wilson (Nov 08 2023 at 07:01):
This just leaves have hmin : IsLocalMin f x := by sorry
which I have no idea.
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