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Stream: maths

Topic: (Z/6Z)[X]


Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:14):

In #Is there code for X? > diagonalizable linear maps @Aaron Liu and I stumbled upon a very strange ring which is Z/6Z, and the equally strange (Z/6Z)[X], and now I have a conjecture:

Conjecture: there are no irreducible elements in (Z/6Z)[X]

is this true?

Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:16):

import Mathlib

open Polynomial

theorem not_irreducible_of_polynomial_zmod_6
    (p : (ZMod 6)[X]) : ¬ Irreducible p := by
  sorry

Kevin Buzzard (Sep 12 2025 at 23:48):

This ring is presumably just a product of the rings Z/2[X]\Z/2[X] and Z/3[X]\Z/3[X] so one could ask the more general question about a product of two PIDs. Is (irreducible,1) irreducible in such a thing? Sounds to me like it might be, so maybe I'm suggesting 1+2X1+2X as a counterexample?

Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:50):

that makes sense, i think that works

Aaron Liu (Sep 12 2025 at 23:55):

Tactic `decide` proved that the proposition
  ∀ (a b c d : ZMod 6), a * c = 0 → b * d = 1 → a * d + b * c = 2 → False
is false

Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:55):

well but the factors could be quadratic

Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:55):

e.g. (2x+3)(3x+2) = x

Aaron Liu (Sep 12 2025 at 23:56):

no that's not what I mean

Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:56):

also irreducible doesn't mean no factorisation exists, it means that if it factorises as ab then a or b must be unit

Aaron Liu (Sep 12 2025 at 23:56):

oh I guess I forgot to clean out the units

Aaron Liu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:00):

ok the factors can't both be linear

Aaron Liu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:03):

they also can't both be quadratic

Aaron Liu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:03):

probably convinced now

Junyan Xu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:55):

Is (irreducible,1) irreducible in such a thing?

This is proven here.


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