Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: maths
Topic: (Z/6Z)[X]
Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:14):
In #Is there code for X? > diagonalizable linear maps @Aaron Liu and I stumbled upon a very strange ring which is Z/6Z, and the equally strange (Z/6Z)[X], and now I have a conjecture:
Conjecture: there are no irreducible elements in (Z/6Z)[X]
is this true?
Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:16):
import Mathlib
open Polynomial
theorem not_irreducible_of_polynomial_zmod_6
(p : (ZMod 6)[X]) : ¬ Irreducible p := by
sorry
Kevin Buzzard (Sep 12 2025 at 23:48):
This ring is presumably just a product of the rings and so one could ask the more general question about a product of two PIDs. Is (irreducible,1) irreducible in such a thing? Sounds to me like it might be, so maybe I'm suggesting as a counterexample?
Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:50):
that makes sense, i think that works
Aaron Liu (Sep 12 2025 at 23:55):
Tactic `decide` proved that the proposition
∀ (a b c d : ZMod 6), a * c = 0 → b * d = 1 → a * d + b * c = 2 → False
is false
Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:55):
well but the factors could be quadratic
Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:55):
e.g. (2x+3)(3x+2) = x
Aaron Liu (Sep 12 2025 at 23:56):
no that's not what I mean
Kenny Lau (Sep 12 2025 at 23:56):
also irreducible doesn't mean no factorisation exists, it means that if it factorises as ab then a or b must be unit
Aaron Liu (Sep 12 2025 at 23:56):
oh I guess I forgot to clean out the units
Aaron Liu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:00):
ok the factors can't both be linear
Aaron Liu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:03):
they also can't both be quadratic
Aaron Liu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:03):
probably convinced now
Junyan Xu (Sep 13 2025 at 00:55):
Is (irreducible,1) irreducible in such a thing?
This is proven here.
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