Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: maths

Topic: Argument principle


Muhammad Manji (Apr 22 2022 at 14:34):

Hi all,

I'm trying to think about how to show on lean that the space of modular forms of level 1 (and later general levels) is finite dimensional using the valence formula i.e. avoiding more complicated geometric tools - I was wondering if there are good definitions of Laurent series and residues, or any version of the residue formula/argument principle for simple contours (e.g. circles, rectangles, things built up from these) on mathlib? If not, are there any serious obstacles to working on this?

Johan Commelin (Apr 22 2022 at 14:44):

We have Cauchy's integral theorem, but I don't think we have the residue formula yet. Is that right @Yury G. Kudryashov ?

Yury G. Kudryashov (Apr 22 2022 at 14:46):

You're right.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Apr 22 2022 at 14:47):

The main question is how to formulate these theorems.

Riccardo Brasca (Apr 22 2022 at 14:47):

If you want to start working on modular forms it's probably a good idea to coordinates the efforts. CC @Chris Birkbeck @Alex Kontorovich

Yury G. Kudryashov (Apr 22 2022 at 14:54):

I mean, in order to formulate the residue formula we need to be able to talk about points inside/outside of the contour.

Johan Commelin (Apr 22 2022 at 14:54):

But for certain contours this is easy, right? E.g. circles and rectangles.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Apr 22 2022 at 14:59):

Do you want to formulate each theorem many times?

Muhammad Manji (Apr 22 2022 at 15:01):

For this specific result the contour is a rectangle with some circles removed from it - so I'm hoping all that would be needed is a version for circles and one for rectangles

Chris Birkbeck (Apr 22 2022 at 15:08):

Riccardo Brasca said:

If you want to start working on modular forms it's probably a good idea to coordinates the efforts. CC Chris Birkbeck Alex Kontorovich

Yes I've already been talking to Muhhammad about this. In order to prove finite dimensionality for spaces of modular forms (even for levels different from 1) we just need to compute this one contour integral. But before that I guess we need some basics about residues and meromorphic functions.

Chris Birkbeck (Apr 22 2022 at 15:09):

I just don't know how hard it would be for these regions.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Apr 22 2022 at 15:19):

What is the integral? Does the function have poles of order >1? If not, then you can subtract aizzi\sum \frac{a_i}{z-z_i} and use the fact that the integral of a differentiable function is zero (we have this for a rectangle and for a circle).

Chris Birkbeck (Apr 22 2022 at 15:29):

So you can see the region on page 19 of this: https://mdave16.github.io/notes/Modular%20Forms%20-%20Marc%20Masdeu.pdf

Yury G. Kudryashov (Apr 22 2022 at 15:32):

I don't know how to do it with the current state of complex analysis in mathlib.

Oliver Nash (Apr 22 2022 at 15:33):

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Chris Birkbeck (Apr 22 2022 at 15:37):

Have any of the other theorem provers done contour integrals around things that aren't circles or rectangles?

Oliver Nash (Apr 22 2022 at 15:56):

Is the issue that we cannot state the integral for a path that is not a
Yury G. Kudryashov said:

use the fact that the integral of a differentiable function is zero (we have this for a rectangle and for a circle).

Is the issue that we cannot make the statement that the integral vanishes for curves that are not a rectangle / circle or that we do not have a proof?

Anatole Dedecker (Apr 22 2022 at 17:16):

Yury G. Kudryashov said:

I mean, in order to formulate the residue formula we need to be able to talk about points inside/outside of the contour.

The winding number for points outside the contour is zero so it doesn't matter, right ?

Jireh Loreaux (Apr 22 2022 at 17:31):

I think part of the problem is: what's your definition of winding number in the first place?

Kalle Kytölä (Apr 22 2022 at 19:51):

Wγ(z)=12πiγ(wz)1dwW_\gamma(z) = \frac{1}{2\pi i} \oint_\gamma (w-z)^{-1} \mathrm{d} w

Not a bad definition of winding number, right? If one combines with homotopy invariance for γ\oint_\gamma and the fact that homotopy equivalence classes of paths in C{z}\mathbb{C} \setminus \{ z \} contain piecewise smooth representatives, so the integral really makes sense for somebody in each equivalence class, isn't that more or less ok? :wink: :trolley:

Honestly, of course, I haven't given serious thought to the appropriate Lean-definition of winding number. Almost certainly Yury has. But at least in my courses I've actually taken the above as the starting point of residue calculus. And perhaps something like that is what Anatole had in mind?

Kalle Kytölä (Apr 22 2022 at 19:58):

That for a fixed γ\gamma the function zWγ(z)z \mapsto W_\gamma(z) is locally constant and integer valued is "obvious". It would of course be nice to show that for Jordan curves, Wγ1{0}W_\gamma^{-1} \{ 0 \} and Wγ1{±1}W_\gamma^{-1} \{ \pm1 \} are the two connected components of Cγ\mathbb{C} \setminus \gamma... :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: But that is not needed for residue calculus.


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