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Topic: Convergence at border points


Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 09:51):

I have a purely math question: suppose that f(T)=anTnf(T)=\sum a_nT^n is a power series that converges on the closed disk B(0,1)\overline{B(0,1)} centred at 00 and radius 11. Assume that f(1/2)=0f(1/2)=0, so I can divide the series by (2T1)(2T-1): I certainly get a holomorphic function on the open disk B(0,1)B(0,1). Is it true/easy/obvious to check that f(T)/(2T1)f(T)/(2T-1) still converges also on the border?

In my application, all anZa_n\in\mathbb{Z}, but I suspect that this is not crucial.

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:28):

What do you mean when you say that the power series converges on the closed disk? Pointwise convergence, or uniform convergence, or the holomorphic function can be extended beyond the open unit disk? Since you say that all your a_n are integers, I don't see in which sense you can have convergence.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:30):

I mean pointwise convergence at all points in the circle. The series is not (a priori) convergent beyond z=1\vert z\vert =1, and it does not give raise to a holomorphic function beyond the unit disk, only on the open one.

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:31):

You can not have pointwise convergence at 1 if your coefficients are nonzero integers (as the general term of the series does not tend to zero).

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:32):

Ah, I see the issue with integers: as a matter of fact, I should have been more precise, you are right. In my example, the radius is some 1/2<r<11/2<r<1 (I thought it would simplify matters to assume r=1r=1 but you are right it does not).

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:32):

The question definitely makes sense if you just don't assume that the a_n are integers.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:33):

You are right, but to stick to my example, it is better to work with some fixed 1/2<r<11/2<r<1 and assume ff converges (uniformly) on the open B(0,r)B(0,r), pointwise on B(0,r)\overline{B(0,r)} and vanishes at 1/21/2.

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:35):

Just to clarify the matter a little bit more: when you say pointwise convergence, you mean that i=0n1aiTi\sum_{i=0}^{n-1} a_i T^i converges to a limit when nn \to \infty, but not that the series is converging in the mathlib sense (which would amoung to the convergence of the series of the absolute values). Right?

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:36):

No, I mean in the absolute value sense; so aizi\sum a_i \vert z^i\vert converges to a limit when n+n\to+\infty, for all z=r\vert z \vert =r: so airi\sum a_i r^i converges to a limit.

Johan Commelin (Dec 14 2021 at 10:36):

I think we want absolute convergence

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:38):

ok. Then you're fine.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:38):

Ah, good!

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:39):

Can you sketch the argument?

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:39):

Let me do it for r = 1.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:39):

Sure

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:41):

Let c=1/2c = 1/2. Then (f(T)f(c))/(Tc)=an(Tncn)/(Tc)=an(Tn1+cTn2+...+cn1)(f (T) - f (c)) / (T - c) = \sum a_n (T^n - c^n)/(T-c) = \sum a_n (T^{n-1} + c T^{n-2} + ... + c^{n-1}). So, the series expansion for (f(T)f(c)/(Tc)) (f(T) - f(c) / (T - c)) is bnTn\sum b_n T^n with bn=i=1an+icib_n = \sum_{i=1}^\infty a_{n+i} c^i. If you sum the absolute values of the bnb_n, you get at most the one for the ana_n times the one for cic^i, which is finite.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:42):

I agree, but this was my argument for convergency on the open disk. Does it give convergency at the boundary?

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:43):

If you assume that the series of the norms of ana_n is converging, then so is the series of the norms of bnb_n. Isn't it what you are asking?

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:44):

Oh, right. Let me think for a second.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:48):

Can you help me with the final estimate? I agree that bn=in+1aicib_n=\sum_{i\geq n+1}a_ic^i; my previous idea was to bound these terms individually but you are suggesting that I use this estimate to directly bound their sum.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:50):

Perhaps I see: you are using the same argument used to study the radius of convergence of the Cauchy product of two series, here the anrn\sum a_nr^n and the cn\sum c^n?

Sebastien Gouezel (Dec 14 2021 at 10:51):

Yes. If you expand (ai)(ci)\left(\sum a_i\right) \left(\sum c^i\right), you will see exactly all the terms that show up in bn\sum b_n.

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Dec 14 2021 at 10:51):

Ah sure. Thanks! :pray:

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