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Stream: maths

Topic: Lebesgue density theorem, parametrized version


Yury G. Kudryashov (Dec 13 2024 at 07:13):

I need the following fact.

Let E and F be finite dimensional real normed spaces.
Let μ and ν be additive Haar measures on these spaces.
Let s : Set (E × F) be a measurable set (in the original informal text, s is a closed set).
Then for (μ.prod ν)-ae (x, y) ∈ s, x is a μ-density point of {z | (z, y) ∈ s}.

The original informal text deduces by applying Lebesgue density theorem to each {z | (z, y) ∈ s}. AFAICT, we also need to show that the set {(x, y) | x is a μ-density pt of {z | (z, y) ∈ s}} is a measurable set. What are the right assumptions for this statement?

Yury G. Kudryashov (Dec 13 2024 at 07:13):

Clearly, "finite dimensional normed spaces + Haar measures" is too strong.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Dec 13 2024 at 07:23):

I think that I can drop all assumptions on F (possibly, except for ν being an s-finite measure). Does it make sense to weaken assumptions on E?

Yury G. Kudryashov (Dec 13 2024 at 07:26):

I can show that the ratio of the measures is a measurable function, thus the set of points where it tends to 1 along positive rational numbers is a measurable set (w/o assuming that μ is a Haar measure), but I need some assumptions to switch to the limit along positive real numbers.

Sébastien Gouëzel (Dec 13 2024 at 08:27):

Isn't the set of density points the set of points where the ratio μ(sB(x,r))/μ(B(x,r))\mu(s \cap B(x, r)) / \mu(B(x, r)) tends to 11 along rational rr, and the same for closed balls? If so, everyting is expressed countably, so everything is measurable.

Sébastien Gouëzel (Dec 13 2024 at 10:30):

Thinking back about this, there is even no need to take both open and closed balls. If you define density points using open balls, you can use that μ(B(x,t))\mu(B(x,t)) is the limit as rr tends to tt from below of μ(B(x,r))\mu(B(x, r)) to deduce that convergence along the rationals implies convergence along the reals. And if you use closed balls, note that μ(B(x,t))\mu(\overline{B}(x,t)) is the limit as rr tends to tt from above of μ(B(x,r))\mu(\overline{B}(x, r)) to conclude in the same way.

Sébastien Gouëzel (Dec 13 2024 at 10:32):

This only works at points where the measure is locally finite, but if the measure is not locally finite then we don't have a density point as the ratio μ(sB(x,r))/μ(B(x,r))\mu(s \cap B(x, r)) / \mu(B(x,r)) is always zero, so convergence along the rationals iff along the reals is also true.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Dec 13 2024 at 13:32):

I tried to do it after midnight, and was approximating from the wrong side, thanks!


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