Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: maths
Topic: Localization preservers injective maps
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 07:57):
Am I wrong that this lemma docs#map_injective_of_injective should hold without the assumption hM
? This is in the context of rings, I'm not sure whether there are some subtleties in general.
/-- Injectivity of a map descends to the map induced on localizations. -/
lemma map_injective_of_injective
(hg : function.injective g) [is_localization (M.map g : submonoid P) Q]
(hM : (M.map g : submonoid P) ≤ non_zero_divisors P) :
function.injective (map Q g M.le_comap_map : S → Q) :=
begin
rintros x y hxy,
obtain ⟨a, b, rfl⟩ := mk'_surjective M x,
obtain ⟨c, d, rfl⟩ := mk'_surjective M y,
rw [map_mk' _ a b, map_mk' _ c d, mk'_eq_iff_eq] at hxy,
refine mk'_eq_iff_eq.2 (congr_arg (algebra_map _ _) (hg _)),
convert is_localization.injective _ hM hxy; simp,
end
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:02):
Can you prove it without hM
? If so then you don't need to ask :-)
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:03):
docs#map_injective_of_injective
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:04):
You don't give the types of the things you're talking about and there seem to be several functions with this name so I don't know what the mathematical question you're asking is yet.
Damiano Testa (Jul 08 2022 at 08:05):
docs#is_localization.map_injective_of_injective?
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:06):
That looks like it!
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 08:09):
Whoops, my bad! Yes, that's the right one.
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 08:12):
More precisely, I think this should be a special case of localization (for modules over rings) being exact, which doesn't need the additional assumptions.
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:14):
So, if I've got it right, the maths question is: if is a multiplicative subset of the commutative ring and if is an injective morphism of commutative rings, then is the induced map also injective?
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:16):
Yeah this looks true to me. Try to prove it in Lean!
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:18):
If then so there's some with but this means so so .
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 08:19):
It's less of a math question than whether I'm understanding that this is what the Lemma is trying to say... (maybe the math channel isn't the best one to ask). But I'll see whether I can do the Lean proof!
Andrew Yang (Jul 08 2022 at 08:50):
If there is some zero divisor in , wouldn't become the trivial ring?
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:57):
right, it's that line of argument which makes you think that the assumption should be there and this is why I was initially hesitent. But if you have a zero divisor then localising it at doesn't give you the zero ring, it just kills components where the thing you're inverting is zero. For example localising Z/2 x Z/3 at the zero divisor (0,1) just gives you the ring Z/3.
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 08:59):
The universal example would be something like , , . So if the map is still injective in this case then this is evidence things are OK. And localising at doesn't give you the zero ring, it just kills and then inverts .
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 09:41):
Here's a proof. Golfs are welcome!
import ring_theory.localization.basic
lemma map_injective_of_injective' {R P S : Type*} {Q : Type*} [comm_ring R] [comm_ring P]
[comm_ring S] [comm_ring Q] [algebra R S] {M : submonoid R} [is_localization M S] {g : R →+* P}
[algebra P Q] (hg : function.injective g) [is_localization (M.map g : submonoid P) Q] :
function.injective (is_localization.map Q g M.le_comap_map : S → Q) :=
begin
rintros x y hxy,
rw ←sub_eq_zero at ⊢ hxy,
rw ← map_sub at hxy,
set z := x-y,
obtain ⟨a, b, hz⟩ := is_localization.mk'_surjective M z,
rw [← hz, is_localization.map_mk', is_localization.mk'_eq_zero_iff] at hxy,
cases hxy with m hm,
obtain ⟨m', hm'⟩ := m,
rw submonoid.mem_map at hm',
obtain ⟨n, hn, hnm⟩ :=hm',
rw [subtype.coe_mk, ← hnm, ring_hom.coe_monoid_hom, ← map_mul, ← map_zero g] at hm,
replace hm := hg hm,
rw [←hz, is_localization.mk'_eq_zero_iff],
use ⟨n,hn⟩,
rw subtype.coe_mk,
exact hm,
end
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 09:48):
You should make a PR to mathlib! This I'm sure would be a welcome contribution. Do you have a github account and have you done this before?
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 09:50):
I haven't done a PR myself before, but I'm going to give it a try!
Kevin Buzzard (Jul 08 2022 at 09:52):
You'll need to post your github account name here, and ask the maintainers for push access to non-master branches. You'll also need to fix any code you break with the change (which hopefully won't be much, but github will tell you what you broke when it tries to recompile mathlib after the change).
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 09:58):
I've worked on a PR before, so I should have the rights.
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 08 2022 at 10:03):
Here it is : #15184
Nikolas Kuhn (Jul 09 2022 at 09:32):
This has been merged. Thanks to Eric Wieser and Kyle Miller for their reviews and contribution!
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