Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: maths
Topic: Puzzles around finiteness and projectivity of modules
Junyan Xu (Jan 01 2025 at 22:04):
It's well known (and in mathlib) that the dual Pᵛ of a finite projective R-module P is also finite projective. When trying to generalize Module.finite_dual_iff from free modules to projective modules, I investigated all possible implications between (conjunctions of) the four conditions Finite R P
, Finite R Pᵛ
, Projective R P
and Projective R Pᵛ
; 3 of the 12 binary implications appear harder than the others, and I've only figured out one of them so far. These look like some good puzzles to test one's intuition, so I'm posting them as a poll. If you are able to construct counterexamples or give proofs, they are of course appreciated.
Junyan Xu (Jan 01 2025 at 22:05):
/poll Which of the following always hold?
Projective R P ∧ Finite R Pᵛ → Finite R P
Projective R P ∧ Finite R Pᵛ ↛ Finite R P
Projective R P ∧ Finite R Pᵛ → Projective R Pᵛ
Projective R P ∧ Finite R Pᵛ ↛ Projective R Pᵛ
Projective R Pᵛ ∧ Finite R P → Finite R Pᵛ
Projective R Pᵛ ∧ Finite R P ↛ Finite R Pᵛ
Kevin Buzzard (Jan 01 2025 at 22:21):
Shouldn't we have options which are the negations of current options?
Junyan Xu (Jan 01 2025 at 22:37):
What do you mean exactly? Each of the three questions comes with two options (implication followed by non-implication). Maybe it's not displayed correctly on mobile?
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Kevin Buzzard (Jan 01 2025 at 22:38):
Oh sorry for the noise! Yes it was a mobile display issue (I couldn't see the slashes through the implication symbols)
Junyan Xu (Jan 01 2025 at 22:42):
It looks like it might get displayed as the following in some fonts (could be tiny)
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Mitchell Lee (Jan 02 2025 at 14:53):
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