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Stream: maths

Topic: Separable extension of valuationSubring


Junjie Bai (Mar 01 2025 at 02:51):

Suppose we have two field with discrete valuation K, L, and there valuation ring O_K, O_L. if L/K is a separable field extension, and K is complete with respect to the valuation. Is the ring extension O_L/O_K separable?(i.e. **all of the element has a separable minimal polynomial).

Andrew Yang (Mar 01 2025 at 03:37):

What's your definition of a separable polynomial over non-fields? mathlib defines it as (f,f)=1(f, f') = 1 in R[X]R[X]. In this sense, OL/OK\mathcal{O}_L/\mathcal{O}_K is hardly separable ever. For example x2+1x^2+1 is not a separable polynomial in Z2[X]\mathbb{Z}_2[X] because (x2+1,2x)(x^2+1, 2x) is contained in the proper ideal {pp(1)2Z2}\{ p\mid p(1) \in 2\mathbb{Z}_2\}. So Q2(i)/Q2\mathbb{Q}_2(i)/\mathbb{Q}_2 is a counterexample.

Junjie Bai (Mar 01 2025 at 03:50):

You're right! But if we have moreover the extension of residue field is also separable, is it true?

Andrew Yang (Mar 01 2025 at 04:14):

Because 22 splits in Q(i)\mathbb{Q}(i), the extension of residue field is trivial in Q2(i)/Q2\mathbb{Q}_2(i)/\mathbb{Q}_2.

Andrew Yang (Mar 01 2025 at 04:17):

I'm guessing that OL/OK\mathcal{O}_L/\mathcal{O}_K is separable iff L/KL/K is unramified.

Junjie Bai (Mar 01 2025 at 04:18):

Yes, you are right. That condition is not enough. It seems that i have to add this as a condition in my code. Thanks a lot!


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