Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: maths
Topic: Unifying `tangent_cone_at` and `pos_tangent_cone_at`
Yury G. Kudryashov (Feb 05 2020 at 04:50):
I'd like to prove more properties of tangent cones. With the definitions we have now, I'll have to prove every fact twice: once for tangent_cone_at, and once for pos_tangent_cone_at. I see two ways to unify these definitions:
- Introduce
(M : submonoid 𝕜)in the definition, and requirec n ∈ M. This requires coercions here and there. - Define semifields and normed semifields, then
pos_tangent_cone_atbecomestangent_cone_at nnreal.
The second approach looks like the right way to do it but it requires a lot of refactoring. What do you think?
BTW, is there any technical reason to have module and vector_space instead of always dealing with a semimodule?
Johan Commelin (Feb 05 2020 at 07:09):
Re semimodule: No, I don't think so. It's just to create a (useful, I think?) air of familiarity for mathematicians
Sebastien Gouezel (Feb 05 2020 at 07:41):
I'd like to prove more properties of tangent cones. With the definitions we have now, I'll have to prove every fact twice: once for
tangent_cone_at, and once forpos_tangent_cone_at. I see two ways to unify these definitions:
- Introduce
(M : submonoid 𝕜)in the definition, and requirec n ∈ M. This requires coercions here and there.- Define semifields and normed semifields, then
pos_tangent_cone_atbecomestangent_cone_at nnreal.The second approach looks like the right way to do it but it requires a lot of refactoring. What do you think?
I would go for the first way: in any case, there will be coercions involved (in the second approach, you would need to see a real module as an nnreal semimodule), so let's keep it as simple as it can be.
Sebastien Gouezel (Feb 05 2020 at 07:45):
BTW, is there any technical reason to have
moduleandvector_spaceinstead of always dealing with asemimodule?
I have tried to make module and vector_space all abbreviations for semimodule, but some things became too slow. I still think this is a good move, but it will probably have to wait for Lean 4. Link to the conversation: https://leanprover.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/116395-maths/topic/linear.20maps.20over.20semimodule/near/185824677
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