Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: maths

Topic: is_homotopic_to


view this post on Zulip Kevin Buzzard (Aug 09 2018 at 10:39):

I just saw this in @Luca Gerolla 's code.

definition is_homotopic_to { x y : β } (f : path x y) ( g : path x y) : Prop := nonempty ( path_homotopy f g)

I feel like is_homotopic_to is an important concept and it sounds like a prop to me, but of course there might well be many homotopies between f and g. Is Luca unwise to use nonempty or is this exactly what he wants? I still feel very unsure about this kind of thing. Given an explicit homotopy from f to g and an explicit homotopy from g to h he will surely want an explicit homotopy from f to h, and of course he proves this, but...I think what I'm saying is that I am confused about both wanting a proposition and wanting to keep track of the homotopy at the same time.

view this post on Zulip Reid Barton (Aug 09 2018 at 13:14):

You need both, I think. And here we do have both, since we also have path_homotopy itself.

view this post on Zulip Reid Barton (Aug 09 2018 at 13:15):

What you don't want to do is define is_homotopic_to without path_homotopy

view this post on Zulip Mario Carneiro (Aug 09 2018 at 13:24):

I think you will want a quotient type over the is_homotopic_to relation

view this post on Zulip Mario Carneiro (Aug 09 2018 at 13:24):

so the homotopy itself won't be in the structure

view this post on Zulip Luca Gerolla (Aug 09 2018 at 13:36):

So you think this is the appropriate way to define the equivalence relation that I will define the quotient on? When needed to get an actual path_homotopy f g from H : is_homotopic_to f g I use cases ; while to show (for example) is_homotopic_to f g I construct an actual F : path_homotopy f g and feed this with nonempty.intro . Would this be a good way to manage the homotopy binary relation? At first, I just felt I was loosing some information with nonempty in later proofs.

view this post on Zulip Kenny Lau (Aug 09 2018 at 13:37):

I think Kevin wants a trunc instead of a nonempty

view this post on Zulip Kenny Lau (Aug 09 2018 at 13:37):

but this will be to HoTT-like

view this post on Zulip Mario Carneiro (Aug 09 2018 at 13:37):

To take a quotient you need a Prop

view this post on Zulip Mario Carneiro (Aug 09 2018 at 13:38):

Consider the way cardinal is defined - it is a quotient over the relation nonempty (A ≃ B)

view this post on Zulip Luca Gerolla (Aug 09 2018 at 14:07):

I see.. thank you! I will stick to nonempty


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