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Stream: maths

Topic: topology on tensor product


Kevin Buzzard (May 14 2024 at 11:22):

If DD is a quaternion algebra over a number field KK (for example the ring of 2x2 matrices over KK), if Z^\widehat{\Z} denotes the profinite completion of Z\Z and if AFf\mathbb{A}^f_F denotes the finite adeles of the number field FF, then I believe that all of DZZ^D\otimes_{\Z}\widehat{\Z}, DQAQfD\otimes_{\mathbb{Q}}\mathbb{A}_{\mathbb{Q}}^f and DFAFfD\otimes_{\mathbb{F}}\mathbb{A}_F^f are "canonically" isomorphic, and I need to choose one for the "finite adelification" of DD. I propose the last one: DFAFfD\otimes_{\mathbb{F}}\mathbb{A}_F^f. I would now like to put a topology on this, but my understanding of tensor products is that in general the tensor product of two topological rings (or even topological vector spaces) admits more than one topology.

I would imagine that in my situation this is not an issue, because DD is four-dimensional over the field FF, so DFAFfD\otimes_{\mathbb{F}}\mathbb{A}_F^f is isomorphic to (AFf)4(\mathbb{A}_F^f)^4 and we can give it the induced topology. But what's the correct way of setting all this up in general?

Antoine Chambert-Loir (May 14 2024 at 12:14):

Here, I would say you are looking at the adelic points of the “quaternion algebra schemes”, and this is what it topology is.

Kevin Buzzard (May 14 2024 at 17:24):

I am unclear about how the Z-hat story fits into this. I am also concerned that the topologies on (D/K)(A_K) and (Res D/Q)(A_Q) are not going to be defeq.

Antoine Chambert-Loir (May 14 2024 at 21:54):

1) Good books (or a paper by Conrad, etc.) explain carefully how to define the topology on points of schemes when the topological ring has some property. That should work for Z hat.
Regarding your second sentence, I feel you're too greedy :
2) You need a theorem to identify (D/Z)(A_K) with D(A_K)/Z(A_K)
3) You need another theorem to prove that (Res D) (A_Q) = D(A_K) is a topological isomorphism
4) And I think you need a further theorem to pass to the quotient.

Kevin Buzzard (May 14 2024 at 22:44):

Oh sorry I didn't mean the quotient, I just meant "A_K-points of D, considered as scheme over K" = "A_Q-points of D, considered as a scheme over Q". Yes I've seen the paper of Conrad: he would define the topology on D(A_K) by embedding it into the set-theoretic maps from K[e1,e2,e3,e4] to A_K where e_i are a K-basis of D, and he would define the topology on the "identical" set D_Q(A_Q) by embedding it into the totally different space of functions from Q[f_1,f_2,f_3,...,f_{4d}] to A_Q. So up to propeq it seems to really matter which of these definitions I choose.

Re Z-hat: what I am unclear about here is whether DZZ^D\otimes_{\Z}{\widehat{Z}} has a natural topology, because I'm now viewing D as a scheme not of finite type over Spec(Z) or something :-/

Antoine Chambert-Loir (May 15 2024 at 05:55):

Re Z-hat, you're right, what I wrote more or less assumed that one talks about schemes of finite type, although the basic definition is simple: if X is scheme over a topological ring R, endow X(R) with the smallest (coarsest) topology such that for every Zariski open set U, U(R) is open in X(R), and every regular function f on U, f_R: U(R)->R is continuous. The question, then, becomes about commuting products and product topology, identifying the topology of X(R) with the induced topology of R^n when X is a closed subscheme of A^n.


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