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Stream: Is there code for X?

Topic: Cauchy Equation


Zhang Qinchuan (Nov 24 2024 at 16:28):

Is there any theorem about Cauchy Equation (f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) where x,y are real numbers)?

It would be nice if there is a theorem as follow :

If f(x) is continous and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y), then f(x)=kx for all real numbers.

By the way, there is a lot of property that satisfies :

If f(x) has property p and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y), then f(x)=kx for all real numbers.

Joseph Myers (Nov 24 2024 at 16:46):

The last comment in !3#12933 says "Ported to LeanCamCombi". I can't now locate this port in LeanCamCombi (or mathlib4), @Yaël Dillies where is this work now?

Yaël Dillies (Nov 24 2024 at 17:13):

Hmm, I think it's in a branch of LeanCamCombi. Let me dig it up

Yaël Dillies (Nov 24 2024 at 18:20):

Found it! Will make it available in LeanCamCombi soon

Yaël Dillies (Nov 24 2024 at 23:37):

@Joseph Myers, voilà : https://yaeldillies.github.io/LeanCamCombi/docs/LeanCamCombi/CauchyFunctionalEquation.html

Zhang Qinchuan (Nov 25 2024 at 06:02):

Yaël Dillies said:

Joseph Myers, voilà : https://yaeldillies.github.io/LeanCamCombi/docs/LeanCamCombi/CauchyFunctionalEquation.html

So these theorems are maintained in LeanCamCombi and will never push to Mathlib4. Am I right?

Joseph Myers (Nov 26 2024 at 01:59):

I hope it ends up in mathlib, it's a well known result that gets used in other proofs.

Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:25):

hilbert said:

By the way, there is a lot of property that satisfies :

If f(x) has property p and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y), then f(x)=kx for all real numbers.

Basically all such properties p are corollaries of the following: if f satisfies the Cauchy equation but isn't a scalar multiple of x, then its graph is a dense set in ℝ²

Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:27):

(so if you can prove continuity, or continuity at a single point, or bounded at some nontrivial interval, etc, then f = kx follows)

Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:28):

This isn't specific to the real numbers, it should hold for any linearly ordered archimedean field with the order topology. Admittedly all of those are subfields of though.

Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:31):

And it's a basic consequence of linear algebra. If f x ≠ x * f 1, then (1, f 1) and (x, f x) are linearly independent over . Their -linear combinations are all in the graph of f, and by archimedeanness, they form a dense subset of it.

Yaël Dillies (Nov 26 2024 at 14:02):

hilbert said:

Yaël Dillies said:

Joseph Myers, voilà : https://yaeldillies.github.io/LeanCamCombi/docs/LeanCamCombi/CauchyFunctionalEquation.html

So these theorems are maintained in LeanCamCombi and will never push to Mathlib4. Am I right?

Nono. On the contrary, LeanCamCombi is like a giant treadmill of results that will eventually go to mathlib. I don't have time right now to specifically clean Cauchy's functional equation up and PR it, so you should feel free to do that :smile:

Yaël Dillies (Jan 04 2025 at 08:47):

First result toward Cauchy's functional equation: #20304


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