Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: Is there code for X?
Topic: Cauchy Equation
Zhang Qinchuan (Nov 24 2024 at 16:28):
Is there any theorem about Cauchy Equation (f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)
where x,y are real numbers)?
It would be nice if there is a theorem as follow :
If f(x) is continous and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y), then f(x)=kx for all real numbers.
By the way, there is a lot of property that satisfies :
If f(x) has property
p
and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y), then f(x)=kx for all real numbers.
Joseph Myers (Nov 24 2024 at 16:46):
The last comment in !3#12933 says "Ported to LeanCamCombi". I can't now locate this port in LeanCamCombi (or mathlib4), @Yaël Dillies where is this work now?
Yaël Dillies (Nov 24 2024 at 17:13):
Hmm, I think it's in a branch of LeanCamCombi. Let me dig it up
Yaël Dillies (Nov 24 2024 at 18:20):
Found it! Will make it available in LeanCamCombi soon
Yaël Dillies (Nov 24 2024 at 23:37):
@Joseph Myers, voilà : https://yaeldillies.github.io/LeanCamCombi/docs/LeanCamCombi/CauchyFunctionalEquation.html
Zhang Qinchuan (Nov 25 2024 at 06:02):
Yaël Dillies said:
Joseph Myers, voilà : https://yaeldillies.github.io/LeanCamCombi/docs/LeanCamCombi/CauchyFunctionalEquation.html
So these theorems are maintained in LeanCamCombi
and will never push to Mathlib4
. Am I right?
Joseph Myers (Nov 26 2024 at 01:59):
I hope it ends up in mathlib, it's a well known result that gets used in other proofs.
Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:25):
hilbert said:
By the way, there is a lot of property that satisfies :
If f(x) has property
p
and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y), then f(x)=kx for all real numbers.
Basically all such properties p
are corollaries of the following: if f
satisfies the Cauchy equation but isn't a scalar multiple of x
, then its graph is a dense set in ℝ²
Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:27):
(so if you can prove continuity, or continuity at a single point, or bounded at some nontrivial interval, etc, then f = kx
follows)
Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:28):
This isn't specific to the real numbers, it should hold for any linearly ordered archimedean field with the order topology. Admittedly all of those are subfields of ℝ
though.
Violeta Hernández (Nov 26 2024 at 08:31):
And it's a basic consequence of linear algebra. If f x ≠ x * f 1
, then (1, f 1)
and (x, f x)
are linearly independent over ℚ
. Their ℚ
-linear combinations are all in the graph of f
, and by archimedeanness, they form a dense subset of it.
Yaël Dillies (Nov 26 2024 at 14:02):
hilbert said:
Yaël Dillies said:
Joseph Myers, voilà : https://yaeldillies.github.io/LeanCamCombi/docs/LeanCamCombi/CauchyFunctionalEquation.html
So these theorems are maintained in
LeanCamCombi
and will never push toMathlib4
. Am I right?
Nono. On the contrary, LeanCamCombi is like a giant treadmill of results that will eventually go to mathlib. I don't have time right now to specifically clean Cauchy's functional equation up and PR it, so you should feel free to do that :smile:
Yaël Dillies (Jan 04 2025 at 08:47):
First result toward Cauchy's functional equation: #20304
Last updated: May 02 2025 at 03:31 UTC