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Topic: Centering lemma


Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:01):

Has anyone proved the centering lemma (cf the High Dimensional Probability book)? cc @Rémy Degenne, @Kei TSUKAMOTO

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:02):

(sorry for the poor question, I don't have access to a computer nor to the book)

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:02):

I need this to prove the dimension reduction lemma for covering numbers (8.3.17 or some number around that in HDP)

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:03):

The centering lemma for what kind of object?

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:03):

Sub-Gaussian random variables I guess, given the book and the mentions?

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:05):

Yes, sorry, the centering lemma in terms of ||.||_{\psi_2} (following HDP's notation), so subgaussian

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:06):

In that case, no. And note that the sub-Gaussian definition I added is not the one with the Orlicz norm as in that lemma, but the comparison of the mgf to the one of a centered Gaussian. What I added requires expectation zero.

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:07):

I added property (v) of Proposition 2.5.2 of that book.

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:07):

Oh, I didn't notice that discrepancy. What's your motivation for requiring zero expectation?

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:08):

Property (v) is the one that you use in a Chernoff bound. You would typically center first, then use that property.

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:10):

I called that def HasSubgaussianMGF to insist on the fact that it's the mgf comparison. I am planning to add the other one too, probably under the name IsSubgaussian.

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:16):

Great! How much of this is already done and would I be duplicating work if I were to do this in Lean?

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:17):

It's not even started. If you do it, please define a general Orlicz norm then specialize to the sub-Gaussian one :)

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:18):

Great, consider that done :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:19):

The situation here is that I need a finitely additive measure version of 8.3.18 (Haussler's packing lemma) for my PhD, and I believe a simple trick works. But, because I have close to zero intuition about finitely additive measures, I would like Lean to check my work

Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:19):

In short, I am using Lean as a genuine proof assistant

Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:37):

I am reading the proof of 8.3.19: is it the case that actually you just want to know that bounded random variables are sub-Gaussian in order to apply Hoeffding? (not exactly sure because I did not look up all definitions in the pages before).

PR #18091 has the fact that bounded with mean 0 is sub-Gaussian (without using the sub-Gaussian definition I introduced yet, just showing the mgf inequality), and PR #22433 has Hoeffding's inequality. You could perhaps center first, which keeps your random variable bounded in some interval, then use those results.


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