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Stream: Is there code for X?
Topic: Centering lemma
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:01):
Has anyone proved the centering lemma (cf the High Dimensional Probability book)? cc @Rémy Degenne, @Kei TSUKAMOTO
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:02):
(sorry for the poor question, I don't have access to a computer nor to the book)
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:02):
I need this to prove the dimension reduction lemma for covering numbers (8.3.17 or some number around that in HDP)
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:03):
The centering lemma for what kind of object?
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:03):
Sub-Gaussian random variables I guess, given the book and the mentions?
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:05):
Yes, sorry, the centering lemma in terms of ||.||_{\psi_2}
(following HDP's notation), so subgaussian
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:06):
In that case, no. And note that the sub-Gaussian definition I added is not the one with the Orlicz norm as in that lemma, but the comparison of the mgf to the one of a centered Gaussian. What I added requires expectation zero.
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:07):
I added property (v) of Proposition 2.5.2 of that book.
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:07):
Oh, I didn't notice that discrepancy. What's your motivation for requiring zero expectation?
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:08):
Property (v) is the one that you use in a Chernoff bound. You would typically center first, then use that property.
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:10):
I called that def HasSubgaussianMGF
to insist on the fact that it's the mgf comparison. I am planning to add the other one too, probably under the name IsSubgaussian
.
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:16):
Great! How much of this is already done and would I be duplicating work if I were to do this in Lean?
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:17):
It's not even started. If you do it, please define a general Orlicz norm then specialize to the sub-Gaussian one :)
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:18):
Great, consider that done :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:19):
The situation here is that I need a finitely additive measure version of 8.3.18 (Haussler's packing lemma) for my PhD, and I believe a simple trick works. But, because I have close to zero intuition about finitely additive measures, I would like Lean to check my work
Yaël Dillies (Mar 12 2025 at 09:19):
In short, I am using Lean as a genuine proof assistant
Rémy Degenne (Mar 12 2025 at 09:37):
I am reading the proof of 8.3.19: is it the case that actually you just want to know that bounded random variables are sub-Gaussian in order to apply Hoeffding? (not exactly sure because I did not look up all definitions in the pages before).
PR #18091 has the fact that bounded with mean 0 is sub-Gaussian (without using the sub-Gaussian definition I introduced yet, just showing the mgf inequality), and PR #22433 has Hoeffding's inequality. You could perhaps center first, which keeps your random variable bounded in some interval, then use those results.
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