Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: Is there code for X?
Topic: Considering a module as over a quotient ring
Brendan Seamas Murphy (Apr 27 2024 at 16:54):
If then the underlying additive group of any -module annihilated by acquires a -module structure (whose restriction of scalars is the original module). Is this construction already in mathlib? In particular I would like to view as a -module. Extension of scalars is in mathlib but when working with elements it can be convenient to keep the original underlying type instead of tensoring.
If this is not in mathlib (as I suspect), how would people feel about the -module structure on being added as a scoped instance? The use case I have in mind is for writing down an induction principle of regular sequences. The "naive" one involves successive quotienting by regular elements but keeping the same ring, but sometimes we want a more refined version where the motive depends on both the module and the ring it's over (eg if starts out as free then is still free over but not over , and sometimes we want to propogate this)
Johan Commelin (Apr 27 2024 at 16:56):
A scoped instance is certainly fine!
Kevin Buzzard (Apr 27 2024 at 17:52):
And definitely +1 from me for regular sequences!
Markus Himmel (Apr 27 2024 at 17:54):
Are docs#Module.IsTorsionBySet.module and docs#Module.instModuleQuotientIdealToSemiringToCommSemiringInstHasQuotientIdealToSemiringToCommSemiringQuotientSubmoduleToAddCommMonoidHasQuotientToRingHSMulInstHSMulHasSMul'TopInstTopSubmoduleCommRingAddCommGroup what you are looking for?
Brendan Seamas Murphy (Apr 27 2024 at 18:10):
Yes! Thanks so much
Brendan Seamas Murphy (Apr 27 2024 at 18:11):
Kevin Buzzard said:
And definitely +1 from me for regular sequences!
The first checkpoint/goal I have in mind for the patching stuff is the Auslander-Buchsbaum formula
Kevin Buzzard (Apr 27 2024 at 19:56):
I need pd_R(S)+depth_R(S)=depth_R(R) for the modularity lifting theorem in the route to FLT I'm taking (here R is noetherian local). This was needed in a post-Wiles optimisation of the argument by Diamond.
Brendan Seamas Murphy (Apr 27 2024 at 20:00):
Oh great
Brendan Seamas Murphy (Apr 27 2024 at 20:01):
I will be adding a dependence on the derived categories branch for regular sequence/depth stuff, but that should be merged soon?
Ruben Van de Velde (Apr 27 2024 at 20:05):
Do we want some way to track PRs on the way to FLT?
Kevin Buzzard (Apr 27 2024 at 20:19):
It might be a better idea to track the PRs which are unnecessary for FLT.
Yaël Dillies (Apr 27 2024 at 21:09):
You mean my PRs :neutral:
Kevin Buzzard (Apr 27 2024 at 22:26):
Your PRs which rearrange the library are I'm sure very helpful for FLT! The combi ones perhaps less so :-)
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