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Stream: Is there code for X?

Topic: Lévy-Steinitz Theorem


Niels Voss (Mar 08 2024 at 23:59):

Does the proof of the Lévy-Steinitz theorem, which states that the set of values that a series of vectors in ℝ^n can converge to is either empty or a subspace of ℝ^n, exist anywhere? Is there anyone working on it or its corollary, the Riemann Series Theorem?

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 09 2024 at 03:02):

I'm fairly certain we don't have it. Things in Mathlib about conditional convergence are pretty sparse.

Niels Voss (Mar 09 2024 at 03:06):

Is this something that would be accepted into mathlib if it were proven?

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 09 2024 at 03:38):

Sure. We just don't have it because in practice what you want most of the time is docs#tsum

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 09 2024 at 14:43):

This is a fantastic theorem (as is its generalization to all lctvs — in the metrizable case, a necessary and sufficient condition to add is that the space be nuclear).
I am not sure mathlib has the 1D case, and that is already nice.

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 09 2024 at 14:43):

Which proof scheme would you follow?

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 09 2024 at 16:57):

Antoine, what do you mean by nuclear? I know two different ideas associated to that term, but I don't think you're referring to either of them.

Niels Voss (Mar 09 2024 at 17:28):

Antoine Chambert-Loir said:

This is a fantastic theorem (as is its generalization to all lctvs — in the metrizable case, a necessary and sufficient condition to add is that the space be nuclear).
I am not sure mathlib has the 1D case, and that is already nice.

What is an LCTVS? Is it a locally convex topological vector space?

I am using the Peter Rosenthal proof here: https://sites.math.washington.edu/~morrow/335_17/levy.pdf. This proof seems to construct a lot of permutations by means of "choose vectors until a condition is met, then choose vectors until a second condition is met, then swap", so if you know another proof, I'd look into it.

Niels Voss (Mar 09 2024 at 17:30):

Are the generalizations to LCTVS significantly more difficult to prove? The proof I'm using only works on R^n, and I'm not sure how much I'd be able to understand the more abstract spaces

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 09 2024 at 19:17):

I can't claim I understand it but it's not very long. It is geometry of Banach spaces.

Niels Voss (Mar 09 2024 at 21:17):

I think I might stick to just R^n (and by extension, all TVSes which are isomorphic to R^n). I only really know a little bit of point-set topology and basic linear algebra, and I haven't ever done any functional analysis, so I don't think I have the prerequisites for one of the more general version of the proof.

Out of curiosity though, where would a proof of this generalization be found? The Peter Rosenthal proof only works for finite dimensional spaces because it depends on induction over the dimension.

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 09 2024 at 21:47):

Jireh Loreaux said:

Antoine, what do you mean by nuclear? I know two different ideas associated to that term, but I don't think you're referring to either of them.

Nevermind, I've just realized what you meant, and actually that all these notions are basically equivalent.

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 10 2024 at 06:54):

Here is the proof of Steinitz theorem fir nuclear spaces:

The Steinitz theorem on rearrangement of series for nuclear spaces
Wojciech Banaszczyk
Journal für die reine und angewandte Mathematik (1990)
Volume: 403, page 187-200

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 10 2024 at 06:57):

https://eudml.org/doc/153193

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 10 2024 at 06:59):

And the converse theorem :

Rearrangement of series in nonnuclear spaces,
Wojciech Banaszczyk
Studia Mathematica (1993)
Volume: 107, Issue: 3, page 213-222

https://eudml.org/doc/216030


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