Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: Is there code for X?

Topic: Semiconjugate matrices


Yaël Dillies (May 24 2022 at 21:32):

Do we have the fact that semiconjugate matrices share an eigenvalue?

Eric Wieser (May 24 2022 at 21:42):

Do we even have eigenvalues of matrices?

Yaël Dillies (May 24 2022 at 22:00):

Oh this is really a statement about endomorphisms actually. Note that not all of them have to be of the same type. We can have f : \a -> \a, g : \a -> \b, h : \b -> \b and the hypothesis f • g = g • h.

Eric Wieser (May 24 2022 at 22:18):

Did you mean ∘?

Eric Wieser (May 24 2022 at 22:19):

f • g doesn't typecheck there

Yaël Dillies (May 24 2022 at 22:32):

Yes sorry I'm on my phone

Yaël Dillies (May 25 2022 at 10:52):

Do we have that the transpose of a matrix A has the same eigenvalues as A? or rather the endomorphism version?

Kevin Buzzard (May 25 2022 at 12:04):

Presumably the endomorphism version is a statement about duals. Does it need a finite-dimensionality hypothesis?

Yaël Dillies (May 25 2022 at 12:05):

I think not

Eric Wieser (May 25 2022 at 12:40):

Or would it be a statement about docs#linear_map.adjoint / docs#continuous_linear_map.adjoint?

Yaël Dillies (May 25 2022 at 13:35):

I would finger guess linear_map.adjoint indeed.

Eric Wieser (May 25 2022 at 13:54):

That one _does_ require finite-dimensionality

Antoine Labelle (May 25 2022 at 16:10):

You don't need inner products for the endomorphism version, you can formulate it in terms of docs#module.dual.transpose. I'm pretty sure that we don't have the statement for endomorphisms, given that we didn't even have the fact that the trace is the same until three days ago.

Anatole Dedecker (May 25 2022 at 19:23):

But I don’t think it will work in infinite dimensional spaces

Anatole Dedecker (May 25 2022 at 19:25):

In general you can only prove that an eigenvalue of f is an eigenvalue of its transpose, but I think I have a counterexample for the converse

Kevin Buzzard (May 25 2022 at 20:08):

I think that the k-linear endomorphism of nat ->_0 k sending e_n to e_{n+1} doesn't have any eigenvalues but its dual has loads. What do you think @Yaël Dillies ?

Anatole Dedecker (May 25 2022 at 20:21):

Yes, that’s what I had in mind


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