Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: Is there code for X?
Topic: Tensor product vector bundle
Michael Rothgang (Jan 31 2024 at 13:59):
Ideally, as in: the tensor product bundle of two smooth vector bundles is smooth.
I know we have the Hom bundle, direct sum and product bundles (though the latter seems slightly more awkward to work with).
Sébastien Gouëzel (Jan 31 2024 at 14:34):
There is a serious difficulty here that there is no canonical topology on the tensor product of two (topological, or even normed) vector spaces -- more precisely, there are several natural candidates, which don't coincide in general. Because of this, no-one has defined the tensor product of continuous vector bundles yet.
Eric Wieser (Jan 31 2024 at 18:09):
Is there a sense in which they're "canonical enough", in the way that we put the not-necessarily-canonical sup-norm on pi types?
Anatole Dedecker (Jan 31 2024 at 18:38):
The thing is the space don’t even coincide here (they do in finite dimensions of course), because you take the completions for different norms. Of course you could do something in finite dimensions, but the point is that there are nontrivial decisions to be taken
Sébastien Gouëzel (Jan 31 2024 at 19:14):
Here are the two main norms on tensor products. The space of finite rank operators from E
to F
has the canonical operator norm, and it is canonically identified with , so this gives one canonical norm on . Also, the space of bilinear forms on is canonically identified with , and the space of bilinear forms has a canonical norm, so this gives a canonical norm on . The two norms I've just described are in general not equivalent (except in finite dimension), and the completion of the spaces for these two norms are therefore genuinely different. And one can not argue that one is more canonical than the other.
Anatole Dedecker (Jan 31 2024 at 19:41):
And (IIRC) none of them gives you the tensor product of Hilbert spaces (though I'm not sure it matters here, is there a significant theory of infinite dimensional Riemannian manifolds?)
Oliver Nash (Feb 01 2024 at 21:15):
Infinite-dimensional Riemannian manifolds are definitely important though at my end of differential geometry things were often quite hand-wavy when they came up. Many interesting finite-dimensional spaces can be constructed as infinite-dimensional quotients of infinite-dimensional Riemannian manifolds.
Oliver Nash (Feb 01 2024 at 21:16):
(I can supply references tomorrow if anyone wants them.)
Michael Rothgang (Feb 01 2024 at 21:26):
There is definitely Morse theory on infinite-dimensional Hilbert manifolds. (Though I'm not sure to what extent people caring about this will use convenient vector spaces, which are another rabbit hole in itself.)
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