Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: Is there code for X?
Topic: closure of element of infinite order
Joachim Breitner (Mar 21 2022 at 10:10):
If I have a group element with infinite order (order_of a = 0
), where would I find lemmas about subgroup.closure {a}
? In particular that it is isomorphic to Z?
Kyle Miller (Mar 21 2022 at 10:22):
The only relevant theorem I've found is docs#subgroup.mem_closure_singleton
Joachim Breitner (Mar 21 2022 at 10:27):
Looks like I need to do some yak-shaving :-D
Yaël Dillies (Mar 21 2022 at 10:28):
The mathlib community truly in need of a :yak: emoji.
Eric Rodriguez (Mar 21 2022 at 10:34):
I had never heard of yak-shaving before, it is very relatable!
Kyle Miller (Mar 21 2022 at 10:42):
This wasn't my yak to shave, but I needed a little break from grading final exams:
import group_theory.subgroup.basic
import group_theory.order_of_element
variables {G : Type*} [group G] (x : G)
lemma zpow_inj_iff_of_order_of_eq_zero (h : order_of x = 0) {n m : ℤ} :
x ^ n = x ^ m ↔ n = m :=
begin
cases n; cases m;
simp [pow_inj_iff_of_order_of_eq_zero, h],
sorry,
sorry,
end
noncomputable
def inf_cyclic (h : order_of x = 0) :
multiplicative ℤ ≃* subgroup.closure ({x} : set G) :=
{ to_fun := λ n, ⟨x ^ n.to_add, begin rw subgroup.mem_closure_singleton, use n, refl, end⟩,
inv_fun := λ x, (subgroup.mem_closure_singleton.mp x.2).some,
left_inv := begin
intro n,
simp,
generalize_proofs h',
have h' := h'.some_spec,
simp only at h',
rwa zpow_inj_iff_of_order_of_eq_zero _ h at h',
end,
right_inv := begin
rintro ⟨x, hx⟩,
simp,
generalize_proofs h',
exact h'.some_spec,
end,
map_mul' := begin
intros m n,
simp [zpow_add],
end }
Reid Barton (Mar 21 2022 at 10:48):
For your first lemma surely there should already be something about x^m = x^n <-> order_of x \| m - n
?
Eric Rodriguez (Mar 21 2022 at 10:52):
docs#pow_eq_pow_iff_modeq I think is the closest nope
Floris van Doorn (Mar 21 2022 at 10:54):
docs#zpow_eq_mod_order_of is pretty close, it's for zpow
.
Eric Rodriguez (Mar 21 2022 at 10:55):
docs#pow_inj_iff_of_order_of_eq_zero seems the closest, but needs generalising to zpow
Reid Barton (Mar 21 2022 at 11:10):
Why are there like a dozen lemmas about "finite cancellative monoids"? Isn't there a better-known name for these objects?
Reid Barton (Mar 21 2022 at 11:11):
Anyways it looks to me like docs#order_of_dvd_iff_zpow_eq_one is on the right track
Eric Rodriguez (Mar 21 2022 at 11:28):
Reid Barton said:
Why are there like a dozen lemmas about "finite cancellative monoids"? Isn't there a better-known name for these objects?
funnily enough we have docs#fintype.group_with_zero_of_cancel but I don't think we have it for just normal groups
Eric Rodriguez (Mar 21 2022 at 11:28):
there's even a todo
above docs#exists_pow_eq_one
Eric Wieser (Mar 25 2022 at 17:14):
Is it helpful to show that closure {a} = subgroup.powers a
and state the lemma in terms of docs#subgroup.powers?
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