Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: Is there code for X?

Topic: group with two elements


Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:03):

Hi, do we have a canonical multiplicative group with 2 elements? Extra points for a group that works well with @[to_additive].

Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:11):

I mean, sort of by the by but does multiplicative G actually additivise properly?

Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:12):

Last time I checked, it didn't.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:13):

But @[to_additive] becomes more powerful once in a while.

Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:16):

I guess you could use the dihedral group of 1? Or maybe units of zmod 3

Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:16):

But none of those additivise well

Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:17):

Or multiplicative (fin 2) = multiplicative (zmod 2).

Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:19):

I thought that option was ugly, but it will work better if to_additive is improved to use it

Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:22):

I can use any ugly option with local notation. Though I won't be able to define

def my_fun : G  G
| 1 := _
| σ := _

Heather Macbeth (Oct 12 2022 at 20:26):

There is ![_, _] to write a function from multiplicative (fin 2) or multiplicative (zmod 2) (as you probably know).

Kevin Buzzard (Oct 12 2022 at 20:31):

When María Inés needed the multiplicative infinite cyclic group she just used multiplicative int.

Anatole Dedecker (Oct 12 2022 at 20:38):

This won’t additivize well, but you could use units int (this is the return type of docs#equiv.perm.sign for example)

Heather Macbeth (Oct 12 2022 at 20:41):

Related, @Alex Kontorovich asked me if there could be a way to simply designate one group as the to_additive of another. I'm currently redoing Fourier theory on the additive circle (branch#fourier-add-circle) and it's nearly an exact copy of Fourier theory on the multiplicative circle.

Jireh Loreaux (Oct 14 2022 at 01:49):

I guess this would need some choice of isomorphism though, right? I don't think to_additive has any kind of support for that. I guess there's only one continuous one in this case, but lots of discontinuous ones. What exactly would you want this designation to do?


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