Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: Is there code for X?
Topic: group with two elements
Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:03):
Hi, do we have a canonical multiplicative group with 2 elements? Extra points for a group that works well with @[to_additive]
.
Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:11):
I mean, sort of by the by but does multiplicative G
actually additivise properly?
Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:12):
Last time I checked, it didn't.
Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:13):
But @[to_additive]
becomes more powerful once in a while.
Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:16):
I guess you could use the dihedral group of 1? Or maybe units of zmod 3
Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:16):
But none of those additivise well
Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:17):
Or multiplicative (fin 2) = multiplicative (zmod 2)
.
Eric Rodriguez (Oct 12 2022 at 20:19):
I thought that option was ugly, but it will work better if to_additive is improved to use it
Yury G. Kudryashov (Oct 12 2022 at 20:22):
I can use any ugly option with local notation. Though I won't be able to define
def my_fun : G → G
| 1 := _
| σ := _
Heather Macbeth (Oct 12 2022 at 20:26):
There is ![_, _]
to write a function from multiplicative (fin 2)
or multiplicative (zmod 2)
(as you probably know).
Kevin Buzzard (Oct 12 2022 at 20:31):
When María Inés needed the multiplicative infinite cyclic group she just used multiplicative int
.
Anatole Dedecker (Oct 12 2022 at 20:38):
This won’t additivize well, but you could use units int
(this is the return type of docs#equiv.perm.sign for example)
Heather Macbeth (Oct 12 2022 at 20:41):
Related, @Alex Kontorovich asked me if there could be a way to simply designate one group as the to_additive
of another. I'm currently redoing Fourier theory on the additive circle (branch#fourier-add-circle) and it's nearly an exact copy of Fourier theory on the multiplicative circle.
Jireh Loreaux (Oct 14 2022 at 01:49):
I guess this would need some choice of isomorphism though, right? I don't think to_additive
has any kind of support for that. I guess there's only one continuous one in this case, but lots of discontinuous ones. What exactly would you want this designation to do?
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