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Stream: Is there code for X?

Topic: holomorphic functions on the upper half plane


view this post on Zulip Kevin Buzzard (Jan 27 2021 at 11:20):

I remember back in 2018 Johan knocked off the definition of a modular form just to show it could be done. I don't even remember where this code is any more. Someone at Imperial has expressed interest in developing the theory a bit. I think finite-dimensionality of the spaces is out of reach right now, one proof I know uses facts about compact Riemann surfaces and the other uses contour integration, and both seem a fair way away right now (the student would be doing the project perhaps this term or next term). However even though we don't have finite-dimensionality, there are still plenty of things one could do, e.g. defining Hecke operators, and perhaps giving a non-constant example (one would need to be able show that things like a,bZ2{(0,0)}(a+bz)4\sum_{a,b\in\mathbb{Z}^2-\{(0,0)\}}(a+bz)^{-4} is holomorphic in zz, for zz complex with positive imaginary part).

A modular form is a holomorphic function on the upper half plane {zCIm(z)>0}\{z\in\mathbb{C}\,|\,Im(z)>0\}, satisfying two axioms (a boundedness condition and a symmetry condition for a discrete group action), The first question I run into is how to do holomorphic functions on the upper half plane. Should this be a subtype? A complex manifold? Do we have the concept of a holomorphic function on an open subset of C\mathbb{C}?

view this post on Zulip Johan Commelin (Jan 27 2021 at 11:20):

It's in your "Kevin turns 50" repository!

view this post on Zulip Kevin Buzzard (Jan 27 2021 at 11:20):

Oh yeah!

view this post on Zulip Johan Commelin (Jan 27 2021 at 11:21):

Finite dimensionality is an easy application of the theory of liquid R\mathbb R-modules...

view this post on Zulip Kevin Buzzard (Jan 27 2021 at 11:24):

So here is a definition of a holomorphic function. Is this still state of the art? Or did we do some more analysis since 2018?

view this post on Zulip Johan Commelin (Jan 27 2021 at 11:25):

I think most of it is out of date; a lot of analysis was added since that repo

view this post on Zulip Kevin Buzzard (Jan 27 2021 at 11:42):

Indeed :-) This is why I am asking for advice about how to say "f is holomorphic" in 2021 (and also how to say "upper half plane"). Once I know that, I think we can get started (following your 2018 work!)

view this post on Zulip Johan Commelin (Jan 27 2021 at 12:06):

Can't we just say that f is differentiable over complex?

view this post on Zulip Johan Commelin (Jan 27 2021 at 12:06):

@Sebastien Gouezel @Heather Macbeth will know better how to deal with the upper half plane, I guess.

view this post on Zulip Sebastien Gouezel (Jan 27 2021 at 12:21):

You can consider a function from C\mathbb{C} to C\mathbb{C} which is differentiable (over the complexes) on the upper half-plane, seen as an open subset of the complex plane. It works, but you get a bunch of junk from the values on the complement of the upper half-plane (in particular, you will lose finite-dimensionality!) Another way is to consider the functions defined on the subtype. Open subsets of a manifold automatically get a manifold structure, so the upper half space already has the structure of a complex manifold, and it makes sense to talk about differentiable functions (over the complexes) on it.

view this post on Zulip Heather Macbeth (Jan 27 2021 at 14:18):

@Alex Kontorovich @Marc Masdeu (and I) have been trying this, actually. The definition of the modular group is done, so is its action on the upper half-plane. Next up is the fundamental domain.

view this post on Zulip Sebastien Gouezel (Jan 27 2021 at 14:30):

Did you go for the general manifold definition, or something more specific?

view this post on Zulip Heather Macbeth (Jan 27 2021 at 14:37):

We didn't really need to decide yet, because so far there's just stuff about a group action, nothing about functions which are preserved by it.

view this post on Zulip Heather Macbeth (Jan 27 2021 at 14:38):

It looks like

notation `SL(` n `,` R `)`:= special_linear_group (fin n) R

def H : set  := { z | 0 < z.im }

instance SL2Z_action : mul_action SL(2, ) H :=

view this post on Zulip Heather Macbeth (Jan 27 2021 at 14:43):

I was thinking that it would be easier to work with functions on with junk values, but it's not too late to go the manifold path. For me the bigger question (which Kevin already raised) is about how holomorphic functions are going to work:

Someday, and maybe not too far away, we will have a proof that analytic is the same as complex-differentiable. Which will be the primary object in mathlib's complex analysis library? That is, do we work with analytic functions and occasionally drop to complex-differentiability within certain proofs when convenient, or work with complex-differentiable functions and occasionally invoke the analyticity within certain proofs as needed?

view this post on Zulip Sebastien Gouezel (Jan 27 2021 at 14:51):

That's a good question. For now, the analytic groupoid is not defined in mathlib, so there is only one way to go, but in the future we will have to make a choice. Using analytic functions feels more natural to me, but it's just a feeling.

view this post on Zulip Heather Macbeth (Jan 27 2021 at 14:57):

While we're on the subject, I checked the Cauchy-Riemann equations a couple of months ago.
branch#complex-diff

I didn't PR it yet because it's not clear yet what the best formulation is to play well with Yury's version of Stokes' theorem (branch#measure-subadditive)

view this post on Zulip Kevin Buzzard (Jan 27 2021 at 15:05):

Oh that's great if there are people already working on it! I guess there are a few things in my head about modular forms, I'm sure we can find some other modular formy stuff to do, or some other way my student can get involved.


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