Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: Is there code for X?

Topic: something about pullback


Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:10):

This is also a general question on how can I find stuff more efficiently, I feel like half of the time I'm finding the correct thing in the library:

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so I want to use pullbacks but in terms of over categories. More concretely, I think X -> S above defines a functor Over S => Over X. What is this functor called?

Bhavik Mehta (Jun 18 2025 at 17:11):

docs#CategoryTheory.Over.pullback

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:12):

aha, thanks!

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:13):

@Bhavik Mehta and what is this itself as a functor?

Calle Sönne (Jun 18 2025 at 17:15):

docs#CategoryTheory.Over.map maybe?

Bhavik Mehta (Jun 18 2025 at 17:15):

I don't believe that exists right now, although the way it acts on identity and composition is in mathlib

Calle Sönne (Jun 18 2025 at 17:15):

no wait sorry! I was too quick

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:16):

maybe it isn't in there because it involves 2-categories?

Calle Sönne (Jun 18 2025 at 17:16):

But to maybe answer your secret question: do you know about loogle since you came back (maybe you already do)?

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:16):

yeah I've been using loogle

Bhavik Mehta (Jun 18 2025 at 17:17):

Kenny Lau said:

maybe it isn't in there because it involves 2-categories?

Yeah, Over.pullback was made before 2-categories were in mathlib

Calle Sönne (Jun 18 2025 at 17:22):

So maybe what you want is a natural transformation between two different pseudofunctors (the ones sending a scheme resp. S scheme to the over category)?

Calle Sönne (Jun 18 2025 at 17:26):

And these pseudofunctors don't seem to exist. The bicategory people are slacking!

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:28):

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Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:28):

I seem to need the bicategory stuff

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:29):

basically I have a functor F, and I want Over X => Over F(X)

Christian Merten (Jun 18 2025 at 17:29):

This is just docs#Over.post

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:29):

oh, interesting

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:29):

thanks!

Edward van de Meent (Jun 18 2025 at 17:34):

(CategoryTheory.Over.post)

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:55):

Could someone tell me all the idioms of Over, i find myself being confused by it a lot, and I can't really find it in the docstrings

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:57):

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Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:58):

so from these two I deduce that the idiom is left and hom

Kenny Lau (Jun 18 2025 at 17:58):

I think it would be better to put this information on the docstring of Over?

Bhavik Mehta (Jun 18 2025 at 17:58):

These are just the projections for the components of Over, inherited from those for Comma. But I have no objections to adding this to the Over docstring anyway


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