Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: Machine Learning for Theorem Proving

Topic: curmudgeoning

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:19):

Speaking as the resident curmudgeon, I'll mention that for what it is worth, I prefer not using "AI" to (presumably) mean "ML".

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:22):

Does it help that I use both AI and ML in the stream name, or would you prefer it is just ML for TP?

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:23):

Could you please clarify what of relevance is in AI(TPML)AI \setminus (TP \cup ML)?

Mario Carneiro (Jan 14 2020 at 00:25):

There is a lot of value in GOFAI for TP that is not specifically ML. ATP stuff comes to mind

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:26):

I assumed that was already part of the "TP" part.

Mario Carneiro (Jan 14 2020 at 00:28):

Oh... I guess if you intend to subtract everything in TP then there isn't much of relevance to this chat. Maybe a chess AI?

Simon Hudon (Jan 14 2020 at 00:29):

I guess when subtracting TP, you need to only subtract the AI stuff that has already been successfully used in TP, not all that could potentially be relevant

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:30):

I fear that continuing this witty repartee may be problematic, since it is hard to read between the lines on text-only chat. I also realize that we may all have different perspectives on the infamously shape-shifting phrase "AI", and that its scope and proper use is a big discussion/debate in and of itself. I wasn't trying to be annoying, and I'll stay out of it.

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:32):

If we can change the name, I'd happy to do it now. I didn't realize I was going to start an argument with the name. But I can't find a way to do it (or to fix the typo in the stream description).

Simon Hudon (Jan 14 2020 at 00:35):

I think the only way is to create a new stream and encourage everyone to unsubscribe from this one. Luckily, there doesn't seem to be contents yet

Simon Hudon (Jan 14 2020 at 00:36):

However, you do take the risk of some people not unsubscribing and using it instead of the other one

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:37):

Sebastian Ullrich has stream-name-changing authority.

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:38):

But he is in Europe and probably asleep already.

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:39):

Does he have stream archiving powers? If so, I can make a new one, and he can archive/delete this when awake.

Daniel Selsam (Jan 14 2020 at 00:39):

I don't know if he can archive but he can very likely delete.

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:40):

Ok. I'm making a new one.

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:41):

Use this instead. https://leanprover.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/219942-Machine-Learning.20for.20Theorem.20Proving

Mario Carneiro (Jan 14 2020 at 00:52):

I have stream name editing powers here, but I'm not sure why there is a need to be exclusionary here

Mario Carneiro (Jan 14 2020 at 00:54):

I can also delete streams but first figure out what you want to do with all this

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:56):

If you can edit stream names, then maybe delete the new one I just made, change the name of this one to that one, and we can be happy? The welcome messages are basically the same for both.

Mario Carneiro (Jan 14 2020 at 00:56):

What's wrong with just AI for TP? If the only interesting AI systems are in ML then so be it but I don't see any reason to declare that at the outset

Jason Rute (Jan 14 2020 at 00:59):

Thanks @Mario Carneiro!

Brando Miranda (Jul 04 2020 at 19:56):

Hi everyone! Just saw this conversation. I'm curious, did we create new streams for this? I don't want to miss any on the great topic using any tools for TP.

Jason Rute (Jul 04 2020 at 20:07):

This was during the very first hours of this stream. It was all worked out then. You should be fine.

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