Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: condensed mathematics

Topic: axioms


Johan Commelin (Jul 14 2022 at 19:58):

We have

theorem liquid_tensor_experiment (S : Profinite.{0}) (V : pBanach.{0} p) :
   i > 0, Ext i (ℳ_{p'} S) V  0 :=

and

#print axioms liquid_tensor_experiment
-- propext
-- quot.sound
-- classical.choice

Johan Commelin (Jul 14 2022 at 19:59):

Confirms that we didn't add new axioms, and that there really is no sorry left.

Peter Scholze (Jul 14 2022 at 19:59):

So what are those funky axioms propext and quot.sound? (classical.choice I can guess)

Patrick Massot (Jul 14 2022 at 20:00):

docs#propext and docs#quot.sound are links to these axioms.

Kevin Buzzard (Jul 14 2022 at 20:00):

Propositional extensionality (Fermat's Last Theorem equals 2+2=4) (because they're both true)

Patrick Massot (Jul 14 2022 at 20:00):

These are completely irrelevant to mathematics.

Kevin Buzzard (Jul 14 2022 at 20:00):

and quotients satisfy the universal property of quotients.

Patrick Massot (Jul 14 2022 at 20:01):

They are only relevant for people interested only in constructive mathematics.

Kevin Buzzard (Jul 14 2022 at 20:01):

Propositional extensionality is used to prove the law of the excluded middle I think?

Anatole Dedecker (Jul 14 2022 at 20:02):

Doesn’t it use choice ?

Anatole Dedecker (Jul 14 2022 at 20:02):

Oh but maybe propext too

Patrick Massot (Jul 14 2022 at 20:03):

In Lean the proof of excluded middle uses all those three axioms

Patrick Massot (Jul 14 2022 at 20:03):

I mean the same three axioms as LTE.

Peter Scholze (Jul 14 2022 at 20:03):

OK, so I guess it's not surprising they are used in LTE ;-)

Junyan Xu (Jul 14 2022 at 20:17):

Patrick Massot said:

In Lean the proof of excluded middle uses all those three axioms

quot.sound is actually not needed for docs#classical.em, but no one has PR'd this (into core Lean) yet.


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