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Topic: Differentiability of `(f x)^n`


Yury G. Kudryashov (Jul 26 2024 at 20:42):

Is it possible that fun x ↦ f x ^ n, n : ℤ, is differentiable at a, n ≠ 0, f a ≠ 0, but f is not differentiable at a? Here f is a function from a NontriviallyNormedField to itself. If the field is a CompleteSpace, then I can use the inverse function theorem to prove existence of a local smooth n-th root near (f a)^n. Is it true without the CompleteSpace assumption?

Yury G. Kudryashov (Jul 26 2024 at 20:42):

#xy: I'm trying to understand if I can drop the differentiability assumption in logDeriv_fun_pow in #12804.

Kevin Buzzard (Jul 26 2024 at 21:31):

Sure: f(x)=1 if x is irrational and -1 if x is rational, and n=2 (which makes me think that perhaps you've not asked the question you meant to ask?)

Yaël Dillies (Jul 26 2024 at 21:32):

Maybe f itself is continuous?

Yaël Dillies (Jul 26 2024 at 21:32):

I think I have a counterexample to that modified question

Yury G. Kudryashov (Jul 26 2024 at 21:33):

Probably, replacing DifferentiableAt with ContinuousAt isn't worth it.

Yaël Dillies (Jul 26 2024 at 21:34):

Ah no, my counterexample doesn't work because you're asking for the function to be to the field itself

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Jul 28 2024 at 14:06):

If you can make it work via completeness, then it works without because it suffices to prove the required asymptotic behavior after injection to the completed field.

Yury G. Kudryashov (Jul 28 2024 at 14:17):

Of course, my "proof" was wrong (left inverse vs right inverse).


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