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Stream: mathlib4

Topic: Simplicity of alternating groups


Stepan Nesterov (Feb 19 2026 at 00:41):

Was there a previous attempt to prove that AnA_n is a simple group for n5n \ge 5 in Mathlib (e.g. is this a PR somewhere)?
If not, I would be happy to claim the task.

Bryan Wang (Feb 19 2026 at 00:46):

Maybe #mathlib4 > (Another) proof of alternating group A_n is simple?

Stepan Nesterov (Feb 19 2026 at 00:51):

So a bunch of people have proofs locally, but no PR to mathlib was made?

Vlad Tsyrklevich (Feb 19 2026 at 02:29):

There’s an open PR, you can find it by searching for “alternating” in the mathlib PRs

Filippo A. E. Nuccio (Feb 19 2026 at 09:33):

@Antoine Chambert-Loir

Michael Rothgang (Feb 19 2026 at 09:39):

There are in fact at least two mathlib PRs about this, #26051 and #33082. (This answers the question above, sorry.)

Miyahara Kō (Feb 19 2026 at 09:47):

#26051 is my PR, but since #33082 is more refined, I plan to split off the defs and lemmas from #26051 that were useful for my proofs, and then close it.

Snir Broshi (Feb 20 2026 at 12:23):

(btw n=5n = 5 already exists, docs#alternatingGroup.isSimpleGroup_five)

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Feb 20 2026 at 21:41):

Indeed. Once the general proof I proposed is merged (and if it is), I will write a PR that moves the initial proof for n=5n=5 to the archive.

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Feb 20 2026 at 21:42):

unless this is @Miyahara Kō that is merged—as far as I understand, it builds on the proof for n=5n=5.


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