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Stream: mathlib4

Topic: Tensor product of linearly independent families


Andrew Yang (Apr 20 2025 at 09:44):

When is the tensor product of linearly independent families linearly independent?
This is not always true, and essentially you are asking PMNMP \otimes M \to N \otimes M to be injective if PNP \to N is injective and PP is free.

Let’s call such MM good modules (if PMNMP \otimes M \hookrightarrow N \otimes M for all NN and all free PNP \subseteq N). Is there a better characterization of them? Here are some facts I know about them:

  1. Flat modules are good.
  2. Submodules of good modules are good.
  3. (Potentially infinite) direct product of good modules are good. (Because PiMiiPMiP \otimes \prod_i M_i \hookrightarrow \prod_i P \otimes M_i)
  4. Good modules are torsion free. (By looking at (a)R(a) \subseteq R for aR0a \in R^0)
  5. Over integral domains, torsion free modules are good (Because MkRMM \hookrightarrow k \otimes_R M with k=Frac(R)k = \mathrm{Frac}(R) and kRMk \otimes_R M is kk-flat).

  6. There are torsion free modules that are not good. Take kk a field, R=k[x,y]/(x2,xy,y2)R = k[x, y]/(x^2, xy, y^2) and M=k5M = k^5 with xx acting on it via (0000000000000000100000100)\left(\begin{smallmatrix}0&0&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0&0\\0&1&0&0&0\\0&0&1&0&0\end{smallmatrix}\right) and yy via (0000000000000001000001000)\left(\begin{smallmatrix}0&0&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0&0\\1&0&0&0&0\\0&1&0&0&0\end{smallmatrix}\right). Then MM is torsion free, Re2MR \xrightarrow{\cdot e_2} M is injective, but Me2MMM \xrightarrow{\cdot \otimes e_2} M \otimes M is not injective because e4e2=ye1e2=e1ye2=e1xe3=xe1e3=0e_4 \otimes e_2 = ye_1 \otimes e_2 = e_1 \otimes ye_2 = e_1 \otimes xe_3 = xe_1 \otimes e_3 = 0. (Example taken from here)

Paul Lezeau (Apr 20 2025 at 10:47):

I have a proof that torsionless modules work for taking tensor products of linearly independent families #24219


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