Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: mathlib4
Topic: extensionality for functors
Dean Young (Aug 07 2023 at 20:54):
Can someone direct me towards extensionality for functors?
Eric Wieser (Aug 07 2023 at 21:11):
Did you try searching for those two words on the #docs? (try "functor ext" in the search box)
Eric Wieser (Aug 07 2023 at 21:12):
It's a bit confusing because we have both docs#CategoryTheory.Functor and docs#Functor, but hopefully you know which one you want!
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 03:33):
@Eric Wieser This is a pretty good category library.
I kind of want vertical composition to infer that two functors are equal (perhaps with a type class) by first applying some rewrite rules (Id₁ Id₂ and associativity in Cat). Is that something this library can do?
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 03:34):
For instance, in many triangle identities I end up having to add in a natural transformation to handle simply associativity of functors, and I think it would be good to try to have it infer that equality on its own so I don't have to add in these extra natural transformations in the rewrite system.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 03:35):
Such normal forms for natural transformations and functors could make things a lot easier.
Jason Rute (Aug 09 2023 at 03:44):
If using the existing category theory library, try docs#CategoryTheory.Functor.ext and docs#CategoryTheory.Functor.hext
Jason Rute (Aug 09 2023 at 03:46):
Based on your PA post (and my currently wrong answer), I think the second is likely what you want.
Jason Rute (Aug 09 2023 at 04:03):
Also, I don't know much about the category theory library, but you might want to play with it more (instead of developing your own). I think they do have a lot of automation of various forms already in use. I think the tidy
tactic was originally developed for this library, and it looks like now they are using the aesop
tactic.
Jason Rute (Aug 09 2023 at 04:21):
I know Lean for the Curious Mathematician has a section on the category theory library complete with a tutorial and exercises to learn it better. The materials for the 2020 version is on github (https://github.com/leanprover-community/lftcm2020), but that is Lean 3. The 2023 version (in September) will cover Lean 4.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 04:44):
I think that's what I'll do, and it makes sense to assimilate their approach, but I was worried at first that I would pick up idiosyncrasies, such as that not having all of the fields of the various structures. I also needed to know which extensionality results are actually possible and which are limited in the way of HEq
, though lack of CatExt is not critical. I'm more interested in not having to redo things three years from now. It would also help if the tutorials were more systematic, with completed tables and so on.
I think what I'm going to do is use their category, functor, natural transformation, and prove it makes an example of my "twocategory", of which my ℂ𝕒𝕥 is also an example. Going forward, I'll be able to switch to their ℂ𝕒𝕥.Obj, ℂ𝕒𝕥.Hom, ℂ𝕒𝕥.Idn, ℂ𝕒𝕥.Id₁, ℂ𝕒𝕥.Id₂, ℂ𝕒𝕥.Ass when I start to need more sophisticated maneuvers and help from the community.
I also have to check out their "Eilenberg Moore adjunction of a (co)monad", "(co)monad corresponding to (co)Eilenberg Moore adjunction". There are some requirements from what I'll need out of this (I need the canonical maps out of the (co)Eilenberg (co)Moore adjunctions as functors as well as a commutative triangle involving them).
Scott Morrison (Aug 09 2023 at 05:02):
The library already has bicategories, and the fact that categories/functors/natural transformations form a bicategory.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 05:03):
Bicategories, but I wanted strict two category.
Scott Morrison (Aug 09 2023 at 05:05):
Strict = suffering.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 05:06):
I took a look at the generators of the bicategory class. I do like how it uses the whiskers.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 05:08):
What is autoparam?
Scott Morrison (Aug 09 2023 at 05:23):
Run a tactic to try and fill in the field, so the user can omit it. Read the category theory library -- we don't give any boring proofs, because aesop
can do them all.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 05:24):
Oh maybe I begin to see.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 12:52):
@Scott Morrison Suppose I wanted to compose two 2-morphisms f : F ⟶ G₁
, g : G₂ ⟶ H
, but G₁
and G₂
were only equal after applying associativity or a unit law for ordinary composition of functors. For instance, that happens when trying to build the triangle identities. Does this library have a way of inserting that cell on its own maybe or a type class for proving G₁ = G₂
?
Kevin Buzzard (Aug 09 2023 at 12:57):
Can you make a #mwe ?
Adam Topaz (Aug 09 2023 at 12:59):
You can always compose with the associator/unitor or in the middle
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 13:10):
Oh ok I get it, it's associator and leftUnitor rightUnitor like Adam says.
Dean Young (Aug 09 2023 at 13:29):
So basically those three are natural isomorphisms and its best to avoid the corresponding equalities.
Adam Topaz (Aug 09 2023 at 13:34):
These will introduce compositions with identity morphisms under the hood, but in practice simp
will get rid of those in proofs.
Scott Morrison (Aug 09 2023 at 23:10):
You might like ⊗≫
in the monoidal category library, which automatically inserts associators and unitors when the composition doesn't otherwise typecheck. There is (I think?) a corresponding operator for bicategories as well.
Yuma Mizuno (Aug 09 2023 at 23:37):
Yes. For example, ⊗≫
composes 2-morphisms η
and ε
without inserting an associator in this image.
diagram.png
Dean Young (Aug 10 2023 at 20:55):
Does this work for Mathlib's bicategory of categories though?
Dean Young (Aug 10 2023 at 20:56):
Can you direct me to the bicategory of categories type?
Adam Topaz (Aug 10 2023 at 21:05):
Dean Young (Aug 11 2023 at 05:33):
In the implementation notes it says that "In the literature of category theory, a strict bicategory (usually called a strict 2-category) is often defined as a bicategory whose left unitors, right unitors, and associators are identities. We cannot use this definition directly here since the types of 2-morphisms depend on 1-morphisms. For this reason, we use eqToIso
, which gives isomorphisms from equalities, instead of identities."
Dean Young (Aug 11 2023 at 19:29):
"Suppose I wanted to compose two 2-morphisms f : F ⟶ G₁, g : G₂ ⟶ H, but G₁ and G₂ were only equal after applying associativity or a unit law for ordinary composition of functors. For instance, that happens when trying to build the triangle identities. Does this library have a way of inserting that cell on its own maybe or a type class for proving G₁ = G₂?"
It looks like Adam has answered this.
My next goal is to construct an example of a bicategory.
Dean Young (Aug 13 2023 at 02:51):
@Yuma Mizuno Can you help me with those triangle unicode characters in your picture? What are the U####?
Yuma Mizuno (Aug 13 2023 at 02:57):
Do you mean the whiskering operators? I don't know the unicode numbers, but I'm typing them by \lhd and \rhd in VSCode.
Dean Young (Aug 13 2023 at 02:57):
oh ok awesome
Scott Morrison (Aug 13 2023 at 03:22):
Hovering over a unicode character in VSCode tells you how to type it.
Dean Young (Aug 13 2023 at 23:24):
Take a look at this... exactly what I wanted.
def ℂ𝕒𝕥 : (Bicategory Cat) := CategoryTheory.Cat.bicategory
#check Cat
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.Hom
notation G "∘" F => F ≫ G
variable {C D E: Cat}
variable {C₁ C₂ C₃ C₄ : Cat}
variable {D₁ D₂ D₃ D₄ : Cat}
notation C "⭢" D => C ⟶ D
variable {Dom : B₀}
variable {Cod : B₀}
variable {Fst : Dom ⭢ Cod}
variable {Snd : Cod ⭢ Dom}
variable {η :(𝟙 Dom) ⭢ (Snd ∘ Fst)}
variable {ε :(Fst ∘ Snd) ⭢ (𝟙 Cod)}
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerLeft
notation F "◁" η => ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerLeft F η
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerRight
notation η "▷" G => ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerRight η G
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.Hom
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.id
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.comp
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.associator
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.leftUnitor
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.rightUnitor
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerLeft_id
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerLeft_comp
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.id_whiskerLeft
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.comp_whiskerLeft
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.id_whiskerRight
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.comp_whiskerRight
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerRight_comp
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whiskerRight_id
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whisker_assoc
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.whisker_exchange
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.pentagon
#check ℂ𝕒𝕥.triangle
-- the first triangle identity
def AdjId₁
(Dom : Cat)
(Cod : Cat)
(Fst : Dom ⭢ Cod)
(Snd : Cod ⭢ Dom)
(η :(𝟙 Dom) ⭢ (Snd ∘ Fst))
(ε : (Fst ∘ Snd) ⭢ (𝟙 Cod)) : Prop := (((Fst ◁ ε) ∘ (η ▷ Fst)) = (𝟙 Fst))
-- the second triangle identity
def AdjId₂
(Dom : Cat)
(Cod : Cat)
(Fst : Dom ⭢ Cod)
(Snd : Cod ⭢ Dom)
(η :(𝟙 Dom) ⭢ (Snd ∘ Fst))
(ε : (Fst ∘ Snd) ⭢ (𝟙 Cod)) : Prop := ((ε ▷ Snd) ∘ (Snd ◁ η)) = (𝟙 Snd)
-- definition of an adjunction
structure adjunction where
Dom : Cat
Cod : Cat
Fst : Dom ⭢ Cod
Snd : Cod ⭢ Dom
η : (𝟙 Dom) ⭢ (Snd ∘ Fst)
ε : (Fst ∘ Snd) ⭢ (𝟙 Cod)
Id₁ : AdjId₁ Dom Cod Fst Snd η ε
Id₂ : AdjId₂ Dom Cod Fst Snd η ε
Dean Young (Aug 14 2023 at 00:26):
def left_adjoint (f : adjunction) : f.Dom ⭢ f.Cod := f.Fst
notation f "ॱ" => left_adjoint f
def right_adjoint (f : adjunction) : f.Cod ⭢ f.Dom := f.Snd
notation f "𛲔" => right_adjoint f
Dean Young (Aug 14 2023 at 00:26):
That unicode dot pair is a hard find.
Nicolas Rolland (Aug 15 2023 at 22:19):
Jason Rute said:
I know Lean for the Curious Mathematician has a section on the category theory library complete with a tutorial and exercises to learn it better. The materials for the 2020 version is on github (https://github.com/leanprover-community/lftcm2020), but that is Lean 3. The 2023 version (in September) will cover Lean 4.
I hope the material will be on github and videos online as in past years !
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