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Stream: mathlib4

Topic: pi


BANGJI HU (Mar 19 2025 at 14:17):

Has pi been formalized as a transcendental number?

BANGJI HU (Mar 19 2025 at 14:21):

Has pi been formalized as a transcendental number?

import Mathlib

open Real Polynomial

theorem pi_transcendental : Transcendental  π := by
sorry

Michael Rothgang (Mar 19 2025 at 17:28):

#6718 (which is still on its way to mathlib) proves this (and a much more general statement). I think the transcendence of e or pi has been proven separately, but don't remember the details. "Lindemann-Weierstrass" is a good keyword to search for.

Bhavik Mehta (Mar 19 2025 at 17:59):

There's the irrationality of pi in mathlib, but the special case of Lindemann-Weierstrass for pi isn't in mathlib yet: docs#irrational_pi

BANGJI HU (Mar 20 2025 at 00:44):

also transcendental is irrational is also proved

Michael Rothgang (Mar 20 2025 at 08:34):

Is this a question or a statement? Can you please be more precise in your questions? You have been told this before.

Michael Rothgang (Mar 20 2025 at 08:34):

On your question: loogle can easily answer this - search for all results mentioning transcendental and irrational, and you'll find it. Would you like to try?

Michael Rothgang (Mar 20 2025 at 08:35):

BANGJI HU (Mar 21 2025 at 10:22):

It has been proven that transcendental numbers are irrational and that pi is irrational. I think I can combine them.

Michael Rothgang (Mar 21 2025 at 11:14):

Deducing "transcendental numbers are irrational and pi is irrational, hence pi is transcendental" is not a correct argument: that statement is false. Can you think of a counterexample? (What do you need to do to exhibit one?)

BANGJI HU (Mar 21 2025 at 12:00):

If I am from New York, it can be concluded that I am from the United States, but if I am from the United States, it does not necessarily mean that I am from New York.?


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