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Stream: LFTCM 2024

Topic: Project idea: Trace class operators


Frédéric Dupuis (Mar 25 2024 at 10:51):

One possible project is to define trace-class operators. I have created a repository here to get started.

Frédéric Marbach (Mar 25 2024 at 10:55):

I'm interested.

Kevin Buzzard (Mar 25 2024 at 11:30):

I trust that you'll be working in the right generality, so we can use the concept for p-adic Banach spaces! Serre wrote a paper on this stuff in around 1968 (it has applications to the Weil conjectures)

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 25 2024 at 12:26):

Kevin, can you be more specific? Do you mean defining nuclear operators?

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 25 2024 at 15:24):

@Kevin Buzzard can you expand?

Kevin Buzzard (Mar 25 2024 at 18:39):

In the nonarchimedean case Hilbert-Schmidt and trace class operators coincide, they are both the limits of finite rank operators. My point is just that they're an important concept in the p-adic case.

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 25 2024 at 21:33):

Okay, limits in what norm (or topology)?

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 25 2024 at 21:35):

Kevin is point out to this paper of Serre. http://www.numdam.org/item/PMIHES_1962__12__69_0/

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 25 2024 at 21:36):

(Over a p-adic field, it's the same for a series to be summable or to converge to 0, hence the delicate hierarchy of operators that exists in the real world collapses.)

Anatole Dedecker (Mar 25 2024 at 21:37):

I don’t know much about this, but I think it’s highly non obvious wether it’s even possible to factor any code here

Kevin Buzzard (Mar 25 2024 at 21:40):

ooh was it really 62? I generalised everything to Banach modules over Banach rings in the nonarch case at the beginning of this paper here https://www.ma.imperial.ac.uk/~buzzard/maths/research/papers/eigenvarieties.pdf (Coleman had done this first but his exposition contained some slips).

Antoine Chambert-Loir (Mar 25 2024 at 21:51):

It is not clear to me whether real and p-adic functional analysis should be made at the same time. And after all, a good theory of a spectrum of a compact operator requires Berkovich spaces.

Kevin Buzzard (Mar 25 2024 at 22:19):

Yes you might well be right: press on with the real/complex story if you need it, and the p-adic people will catch up later. In the p-adic world everything is far less delicate, as I'm sure you can imagine in a situation where an infinite sum converges iff its terms tend to zero.

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 25 2024 at 22:40):

Yes, in the bounded operators on a Hilbert space, there is an extremely rich ideal structure given by the Calkin correspondence. Basically, the two-sided ideals are in bijective correspondence (even an isomorphism of ordered semirings) with the dilation invariant, hereditary subcones of the nonnegative sequences converging to zero. I think there will be very little overlap, but I'm happy to chat about it at some point.

I happen to know a lot about this topic because my advisor was Gary Weiss, who coauthored this paper, which is basically the bible for ideal theory in bounded operators on a Hilbert space.

Jireh Loreaux (Mar 28 2024 at 14:20):

@Frédéric Dupuis @Frédéric Marbach : I just pushed to the repo the continuous functional calculus over ℝ≥0 for H →L[ℂ] H.


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