Zulip Chat Archive

Stream: Carleson

Topic: Lower semi-continuity maximal function


Jim Portegies (May 05 2025 at 07:24):

I don't know how to prove carleson#continuous_average_ball without additional assumptions on the measure mu, in particular that the measure of spheres vanishes. How would we like to continue with this?

Jim Portegies (May 05 2025 at 07:25):

(I believe I have counterexamples to the statement if mu is merely doubling)

Sébastien Gouëzel (May 05 2025 at 08:05):

There is indeed no reason why continuity should be true, but semicontinuity is true and should be enough for the application, right?

Jim Portegies (May 12 2025 at 09:02):

Sorry for my late reply. I do think semicontinuity could be true, but for the lower-semicontinuity of the maximal function, one also needs the semicontinuity in the other direction because one divides by the measure of the ball in the maximal function. An option may be to in the definition of the maximal function divide by the norm of the closed ball instead, but that would be a very big change and I also don't oversee the consequences.

I am tempted to add the assumption that the measure of spheres is zero.

Sébastien Gouëzel (May 12 2025 at 09:30):

Isn't the goal in the end just to get measurability? Then everything looks ok.

Jim Portegies (May 12 2025 at 09:33):

I think the lower semicontinuity of the maximal function is used in chapter 10

Sébastien Gouëzel (May 12 2025 at 10:18):

ok, I'm confused. I don't see why carleson#continuous_average_ball should be relevant here. The maximal function in the blueprint (equation (2.0.41)) is a supremum of functions of the form f_i : x ↦ 1_(B_i) (x) * c_i, where c_i is a nonnegative scalar, and B_i is an open ball. Each such function is lower semi-continuous. So their supremum is still lower semicontinuous. Right?

Sébastien Gouëzel (May 12 2025 at 14:53):

It's interesting to note here that the Carleson authors do not use the standard maximal function (for which the issue you're pointing would be a problem), but another version which is equivalent (up to a multiplicative constant) with the usual one, but which is slightly better behaved.

Jim Portegies (May 12 2025 at 14:53):

Yes exactly, it was recommended to follow Folland, and there the maximal function was defined differently

Jim Portegies (May 12 2025 at 14:53):

I believe I see what you are saying, thanks!

Floris van Doorn (May 13 2025 at 12:30):

We indeed use a non-standard maximal function because it was hopefully better behaved. I'm not sure if that was the right decision in the end. And I didn't realize that lower semicontinuity would be easier for our definition. Thanks for pointing that out, Sebastien!


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