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Stream: Equational

Topic: A slight generalization of affine extension


Bruno Le Floch (Jun 07 2025 at 20:56):

From a cursory look, the reference THE STRUCTURE OF MEDIAL QUANDLES that @Fox Room listed seems interesting more broadly: they seem to use piecewise linear models, which we haven't explored much.

Fox Room (Jun 07 2025 at 21:16):

It's a very neat paper that I have by no means taken the time to absorb the full breadth of.

Bruno Le Floch (Jun 08 2025 at 07:35):

It seems their construction is slightly more general than the affine extensions we have used a lot. An affine extension of a base magma GG with product \circ is a product set M=G×FM=G\times F with (x,s)×(y,t)=(xy,ax,ys+bx,yt+cx,y)(x,s)\times(y,t) = (x\circ y, a_{x,y} s + b_{x,y} t + c_{x,y}) where s,tFs,t\in F an abelian group and the coefficients are allowed to depend on x,yx,y. In their setting they also allow the fiber FF to depend on xx. So for instance ax,ya_{x,y} is no longer an endomorphism, but a linear map from FxF_x to FxyF_{x\circ y}.

Matthew Bolan (Jun 08 2025 at 11:47):

I actually have encountered these before. They are very natural since if CEC_E is the category of EE-magmas, then linear magmas are just abelian objects in CEC_E, and the magmas you have just described are abelian objects in the slice category CE/GC_E/G.

Bruno Le Floch (Jun 08 2025 at 13:56):

I wonder if this circumvents some of the no-go theorems we had for the finite 677→255 implication.

Terence Tao (Jun 10 2025 at 05:23):

I believe the no-go theorem for linear extensions in Lemma 13.4 of the blueprint https://teorth.github.io/equational_theories/blueprint/677-chapter.html still works when the fiber depends on the base point.


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