Zulip Chat Archive
Stream: Brownian motion
Topic: Infinite independent increments
Joris van Winden (Jan 27 2026 at 15:33):
I am formalizing the law of the iterated logarithm (currently working on the lower bound), and I have arrived at a point where I need to show that the variables n ↦ X (c ^ (n + 1)) ω - X (c ^ n) ω are independent. This turns out to be annoying since HasIndepIncrements only gives independence for a finite index set.
My question is the following: was it a deliberate choice to formulate HasIndepIncrements in terms of finite index sets? It seems that the alternative definition
def HasIndepIncrements' [Preorder T] [Sub E] [MeasurableSpace E] (X : T → Ω → E)
(P : Measure Ω := by volume_tac) : Prop :=
∀ t : ℕ → T, Monotone t →
iIndepFun (fun i ω ↦ X (t (i + 1)) ω - X (t i) ω) P
is mathematically equivalent and disposes with the Fin n type.
Rémy Degenne (Jan 27 2026 at 15:53):
@Etienne Marion
Etienne Marion (Jan 27 2026 at 16:07):
That does seem like a good idea! I went with Fin because that is the way I have always seen it defined in textbooks, but I actually was quite annoyed having to deal with Fin, so if your definition works well we should definitely go with it. I am guessing you might have to rework some proofs in the BrownianMotion file though. If you don't want to deal with that I'd say you can introduce your definition while leaving the old one and we can get rid of it later.
Joris van Winden (Jan 27 2026 at 16:19):
Okay! Then I will give it a go to see if any unexpected problems turn up with the alternative definition.
Joris van Winden (Jan 29 2026 at 10:37):
For now I have managed to prove the expected equivalence:
lemma HasIndepIncrements.infinite_increments [Preorder T] [Sub E] [MeasurableSpace E]
(X : T → Ω → E) (P : Measure Ω := by volume_tac) [IsProbabilityMeasure P] :
HasIndepIncrements X P ↔ ∀ t : ℕ → T, Monotone t →
iIndepFun (fun i ω ↦ X (t (i + 1)) ω - X (t i) ω) P
I needed the typeclass [IsProbabilityMeasure P] in order to apply iIndepFun.of_subsingleton.
Joris van Winden (Feb 13 2026 at 22:32):
I have opened #377 to introduce the relevant lemmas.
Last updated: Feb 28 2026 at 14:05 UTC